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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 258316" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p><strong>Lets talk about section (c)</strong></p><p> </p><p>In my opinion, this has to be the biggest piece of garbage ever written.</p><p> </p><p>It has many complexities and eliminates seniority for the entire year. Most of what will happen is not written, and the idea, well grand, is poorly written in this section. You have to think about the possibilities that will come up in this section and the LACK of protections contained in it.</p><p> </p><p>First, opt in / opt out. What the hell is this?? If you opt in, there is NO guarantee that you will be worked less than 9.5 hours. Its the same unenforceable language that we have now. If the company works you three days a week over 9.5 you can file a grievance.</p><p> </p><p>Terrific, then you have to begin an 8 month journey thru hoops and ladders to try and get a triple time payment for the excessive overtime, however, by that time, you are out of the 6 month window and the problem is moot by then.</p><p> </p><p>Second, all drivers must make this choice in the month of december for the next six months....? Who knows what will happen in their lives this far in advance. Once you opt in or opt out, you cant change your mind. </p><p> </p><p>What if your wife got sick and you needed to be home early, what if your kids are sick? You cant get off this list. </p><p> </p><p>Thirdly, lets say a 20 year driver likes his 10.15 hours a day that his route runs everyday and decides to opt out for the 6 months, and a 1 year driver decides to get on the 9.5 list. On the days when the 1 year drivers load will be adjusted to get him under 9.5 hours, the 20 year driver will be subject to the extra work regardless of the planned day because he opted out and WAIVED his rights to grieve the extra work!! In effect, the company could increase the load to 12 hours on road on january 1 monday thru friday until june 1 and there is nothing a driver on the opt out list can do about it. (think about it folks)<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/scared.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":scared:" title="Scared :scared:" data-shortname=":scared:" /></p><p> </p><p>This does not protect us!!</p><p> </p><p>The 20 year driver just became a utility driver all over again. There is no provision for this work to be assigned to a lower seniority driver on the opt out list, only a waiver that the TEAMSTERS agreed to give the company that prevents the 20 year driver from complaining about it.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/scared.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":scared:" title="Scared :scared:" data-shortname=":scared:" /></p><p> </p><p>Fourth, if you "opt in", this also does not mean you are entitled to 9.5 hours either. The company can simply give you your 8.0 hour guarantee jan 1 thru june 1. Overtime is not GUARANTEED. Your supervisor or center manager can effectively restrict you to 8.0 a day for six months if you "opt in" as a payback for doing so. There is nothing you can do about it. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/scared.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":scared:" title="Scared :scared:" data-shortname=":scared:" /></p><p> </p><p>Additionally, if you "opt in" and YOU extend your day to exceed 9.5 hours (ie: go help a buddy), can the company discipline you for it? This is not addressed. I guarantee you a supervisor will try it.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/scared.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":scared:" title="Scared :scared:" data-shortname=":scared:" /></p><p> </p><p>In our current contract, overtime can be relieved in the months between january and october, now however, the TEAMSTERS have agreed to cut this time down to six months (jan thru june) which is a net loss of 5 months. </p><p> </p><p>What does this mean?</p><p> </p><p>It means that begining on June 2 each year, your loads can be whatever the company wants and you have no rights to ask for the load to be reduced. Effectively, peak-like dispatches can be assigned to a driver each day and complaints of excessive overtime would be moot. The company will cut routes like never before and increase the loads to 12 hours on road. </p><p> </p><p>How does this help the driver???</p><p> </p><p>Overall, this section is full of mistakes and we need to have it corrected or modified in order for it to make sense. </p><p> </p><p>For me, this section disqualifies the contract from passing this time around.</p><p> </p><p>I am voting NO.</p><p> </p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 258316, member: 12148"] [B]Lets talk about section (c)[/B] In my opinion, this has to be the biggest piece of garbage ever written. It has many complexities and eliminates seniority for the entire year. Most of what will happen is not written, and the idea, well grand, is poorly written in this section. You have to think about the possibilities that will come up in this section and the LACK of protections contained in it. First, opt in / opt out. What the hell is this?? If you opt in, there is NO guarantee that you will be worked less than 9.5 hours. Its the same unenforceable language that we have now. If the company works you three days a week over 9.5 you can file a grievance. Terrific, then you have to begin an 8 month journey thru hoops and ladders to try and get a triple time payment for the excessive overtime, however, by that time, you are out of the 6 month window and the problem is moot by then. Second, all drivers must make this choice in the month of december for the next six months....? Who knows what will happen in their lives this far in advance. Once you opt in or opt out, you cant change your mind. What if your wife got sick and you needed to be home early, what if your kids are sick? You cant get off this list. Thirdly, lets say a 20 year driver likes his 10.15 hours a day that his route runs everyday and decides to opt out for the 6 months, and a 1 year driver decides to get on the 9.5 list. On the days when the 1 year drivers load will be adjusted to get him under 9.5 hours, the 20 year driver will be subject to the extra work regardless of the planned day because he opted out and WAIVED his rights to grieve the extra work!! In effect, the company could increase the load to 12 hours on road on january 1 monday thru friday until june 1 and there is nothing a driver on the opt out list can do about it. (think about it folks):scared: This does not protect us!! The 20 year driver just became a utility driver all over again. There is no provision for this work to be assigned to a lower seniority driver on the opt out list, only a waiver that the TEAMSTERS agreed to give the company that prevents the 20 year driver from complaining about it.:scared: Fourth, if you "opt in", this also does not mean you are entitled to 9.5 hours either. The company can simply give you your 8.0 hour guarantee jan 1 thru june 1. Overtime is not GUARANTEED. Your supervisor or center manager can effectively restrict you to 8.0 a day for six months if you "opt in" as a payback for doing so. There is nothing you can do about it. :scared: Additionally, if you "opt in" and YOU extend your day to exceed 9.5 hours (ie: go help a buddy), can the company discipline you for it? This is not addressed. I guarantee you a supervisor will try it.:scared: In our current contract, overtime can be relieved in the months between january and october, now however, the TEAMSTERS have agreed to cut this time down to six months (jan thru june) which is a net loss of 5 months. What does this mean? It means that begining on June 2 each year, your loads can be whatever the company wants and you have no rights to ask for the load to be reduced. Effectively, peak-like dispatches can be assigned to a driver each day and complaints of excessive overtime would be moot. The company will cut routes like never before and increase the loads to 12 hours on road. How does this help the driver??? Overall, this section is full of mistakes and we need to have it corrected or modified in order for it to make sense. For me, this section disqualifies the contract from passing this time around. I am voting NO. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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