DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
By not being a PT position.
I think you missed the word "if".
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I think you missed the word "if".
-No forced OT(normal day is 8 not 9.5, need over 8 list with double pay penalty)
-Catchup raise to $50 driver $25 Pt, then start yearly raises.
-minimum 25% increase in pensions
-full benefits for retirees(when we need them the most)
-no PVDs
-no 22.4s
-no driver start times after 8:30am
Damnit this will take forever. Let’s try it this way. Go back in every contract since 1997 and get back everything we have given them.
I think realistically, we'll get 1 out of that 7.
No way the company goes 25 for PT. Even if the drivers somehow do end up at 50.
PT Car Washer
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The company is already paying many PT over $25/hr and FT $35/hr to perform PT work.
In select places.
Nationwide, they don’t need to do that. Hence why only some locations are doing it now.
$25/hr PT work starting pay is a pipe dream.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
It depends on whether the Company or the Union wants long term Part Time employees.
The Union wants more full time jobs occupied by our younger members that are currently paying into their pension and health and welfare plans. The Company is the exact opposite, they want young transient short term temps (part timers), they are not going to be hanging around enough to become vested (5years).
I can see the part timers starting rate at 18 and a four year progression... expect a matched 401k instead of a traditional pension plan for those under the Company controlled UPS Pension Plan.
I could be wrong on this but I expect the Company wants to shed it’s Defined Benefit Pension Plans, similar to what they did with their management. All those previous part time credit years under that plan for majority of the full timers can be formulated into the IBT/UPS plan under the Central and Southern. It is legally possible for them to transfer funds as long as they improve the vested benefits.
Those under the vastly superior Western Conferences will remain in their plans.
Trucker Clock
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Ain't never going to happen
Ain't never going to happen
Ain't never going to happen
Ain't never going to happen
Ain't never going to happen
This will happen
Ain't never going to happen
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
You don't have Art 22.3 Union members in your building?
I am in local 710. Article 22 refers to union inspection.
What'dyabringmetoday???
Well-Known Member
Ever do hare scrambles?
It all happens if we want it to. But might not happen if everyone is as spineless as you. Get a back bone.
Teamsters walked for less in 1997.
Trucker Clock
Well-Known Member
What we walked for and got was a huge win, did not cost the Company very much in the long run.
Um, no it won't.
OK, Slick, here we go.
Do you realize how much this would cost the Company in extra employees, extra benefits and extra equipment? Package cars, tractors, building expansions (yes, most buildings cannot handle 20% more package cars.)
Do you realize how much this would cost the Company?
Do you realize how much this would cost the Company?
Do you realize how much this would cost the Company?
How do you plan on delivering peak volume. There are no more rental trucks to rent. Or do you want the Company to buy extra package cars just for peak and let them sit around all year long not being used. Do you realize how much this would cost the Company?
OK, these will be gone.
How do you plan on getting the trailers to the preload sooner? To get drivers out sooner? Or do you want drivers loading their package cars right next to the preloader just so they can get their 8 in and be off by 5:00? Or do you want to send the preloaders home while the drivers wrap up their cars?
The Company is very profitable right know. But what you're suggesting is to kill the Golden Goose, to pretty much bankrupt the Company. Most of us, including O'Brien, is pretty much smarter than you. We know we can't ask for what you dream of because the Company cannot afford it. It would put them out of business. So they may as well just let us walk and try and start replacing us right away. At least they may have a slim chance of surviving long term.
You're brilliant!
PT Car Washer
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Do you realize how much it cost the company in the constant turn over in untrained and unmotivated employees. $25/hr for PT would save the company $Millions.
That's more money than a new driver makes
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
Delivery drivers have better benefits and can eventually earn more. What's your point? Our Porters make just as much as a top rate delivery driver.
PT Car Washer
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New driver working 8 hours at $20/hr compared to a new PT working 4 hours at $25/hr. Who makes more?
That's not giving people an incentive to drive
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Maybe back when you were hired...have you seen the latest crew of Part time hirees?
80% will not make it through the first week...
I can see the possibility of an all full time workforce or at least averaging it out at 50/50.
It is within reason that both sides can increase the pensions and the retirees’ health and welfare benefits. I am estimating that currently about 20 percent of the full time members are now eligible for retirement, if they give an incentive for us to leave and replace us with a younger workforce who will be around for at least 25 + years it would benefit all parties.
The Union will have their increasing monetary pension and health and welfare contributions.
The Company will have their progression rates that start out at 1/2 if what a full seniority member clears.
The money is already there to provide a better pension for everybody... health care and a supplement after age 65.
PT Car Washer
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$100k/year job is not an incentive? Maybe where you are but not here.
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