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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 322783" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>AV8,</p><p> </p><p>Appreciate the post of Reagan's warning back in the day when the first encroachment of federalism was taking place in the area of or move towards universal medicine. Ironic now that we have not only universal, mandatory healthcare on the backend of life of which he was warning at the time but we also have this same thing on the front end in some sectors of life dictated at present by status and levels of income. The next step would be to finish the job and make the entire front end segment under a federal mandatory system and then it only leaves the process of filling in the middle and the concept of creeping federalism would be complete. Cover the cradle and cover the grave and it's not hard at that point to finish the job. I remember to my utter shock when General Motors executives came out in 93' supporting Hillary's idea of healthcare and thinking, "WHAT THE <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />!" But then the other shoe fell and I saw switching the healthcare burden of GM from private to public and the cost savings to GM would in effect add so much to the bottom line that there was enough in profits to double the stock overnight just in EPS valuation. </p><p> </p><p>Many democrats will scream about the republicans and corp. America as if their party is above it all but think again. Here's a quote from yesterday's "Democracy Now" website on corp. dollars going democrat.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>source: <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/2/headlines#4" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/2/headlines#4</span></a></p><p> </p><p>That 1/5 of gov't monopoly Reagan spoke of (I'm sure much larger now) is moving to protect it's interests so just how far will the imagined commies really go? These people aren't commies and never have been, they're merchantile monopolist only under the poltical rouse of letting "US" think as such. At the same time the republicans aren't free market capitialist either but that's another thread. To borrow a favorite phrase of Fox News, just those highlighted businesses above pumping in money to democrats, just how "FAIR AND BALANCE" will their solutions be to those 3 major problems facing Americans?</p><p> </p><p>LMAO!!!!!!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Those who extoll the noble cause of everyone having healthcare although of goodheart seem IMO to totally ignore the past practice of the old world merchantilism where a single or small number of business concerns by force of law would have positioned themselves to in effect. mop up and take it to the bank with a gov't mandated monopoly. Reagan spoke of 1/5 of the business segment even in that day under that monopoly status. Many of these same goodhearted folks would in turn berate the abuse of private business interests for example in the Iraq theater and in many cases I happen to share that opinion as you are aware. But what I can't understand is the "Rush to Nirvana" in the area of universal healthcare that history proves beyond doubt will end up with a "Halliburton nightmare" in the area of healthcare. And all due respect to you in my use of Halliburton but it's a means to show that they are not consistant IMHO when it comes to corp. abuse or setting up the very potential that leads to corp. abuse of the taxpayer and citizens of this country.</p><p> </p><p>Again, I really do appreciate the fact that you post the Reagan piece and in all fairness I didn't look at Hillary because I already know her basic deal so what's new?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Just out of interest, on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being zero and 10 being high priority) where would you rate the threat of some form of universal healthcare coming as a result of the 2008' Presidential election no matter who wins? I think it's about a 8 if not a 9 and that could go higher depending on who get's elected and how the Congress breaks out. Either way, no matter who wins, the creeping gradualism Reagan spoke of will continue. Remember, it's a given where the democrats will go but over the years since Reagan made that speech and you can include Reagan in this mix, the republicans have done nothing to reverse the very course Reagan warned of and even in the most recent couple of years, the republicans even advanced SCHIPS and it's longevity but it just wasn't to the degree the democrats wanted.</p><p> </p><p>Just because you take 2 steps forward, 1 step back, 2 steps forward, etc. etc. doesn't mean you are not advancing toward a destination so until I see the republicans at least taking 2 step back and one forward, I can only conclude going republican will get me to total statism at 30 mph rather than a the 100 mph of the democrat plan!</p><p> </p><p>Either way I'm there.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 322783, member: 2189"] AV8, Appreciate the post of Reagan's warning back in the day when the first encroachment of federalism was taking place in the area of or move towards universal medicine. Ironic now that we have not only universal, mandatory healthcare on the backend of life of which he was warning at the time but we also have this same thing on the front end in some sectors of life dictated at present by status and levels of income. The next step would be to finish the job and make the entire front end segment under a federal mandatory system and then it only leaves the process of filling in the middle and the concept of creeping federalism would be complete. Cover the cradle and cover the grave and it's not hard at that point to finish the job. I remember to my utter shock when General Motors executives came out in 93' supporting Hillary's idea of healthcare and thinking, "WHAT THE :censored:!" But then the other shoe fell and I saw switching the healthcare burden of GM from private to public and the cost savings to GM would in effect add so much to the bottom line that there was enough in profits to double the stock overnight just in EPS valuation. Many democrats will scream about the republicans and corp. America as if their party is above it all but think again. Here's a quote from yesterday's "Democracy Now" website on corp. dollars going democrat. source: [URL="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/2/headlines#4"][COLOR=red]http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/2/headlines#4[/COLOR][/URL] That 1/5 of gov't monopoly Reagan spoke of (I'm sure much larger now) is moving to protect it's interests so just how far will the imagined commies really go? These people aren't commies and never have been, they're merchantile monopolist only under the poltical rouse of letting "US" think as such. At the same time the republicans aren't free market capitialist either but that's another thread. To borrow a favorite phrase of Fox News, just those highlighted businesses above pumping in money to democrats, just how "FAIR AND BALANCE" will their solutions be to those 3 major problems facing Americans? LMAO!!!!!! Those who extoll the noble cause of everyone having healthcare although of goodheart seem IMO to totally ignore the past practice of the old world merchantilism where a single or small number of business concerns by force of law would have positioned themselves to in effect. mop up and take it to the bank with a gov't mandated monopoly. Reagan spoke of 1/5 of the business segment even in that day under that monopoly status. Many of these same goodhearted folks would in turn berate the abuse of private business interests for example in the Iraq theater and in many cases I happen to share that opinion as you are aware. But what I can't understand is the "Rush to Nirvana" in the area of universal healthcare that history proves beyond doubt will end up with a "Halliburton nightmare" in the area of healthcare. And all due respect to you in my use of Halliburton but it's a means to show that they are not consistant IMHO when it comes to corp. abuse or setting up the very potential that leads to corp. abuse of the taxpayer and citizens of this country. Again, I really do appreciate the fact that you post the Reagan piece and in all fairness I didn't look at Hillary because I already know her basic deal so what's new? :happy-very: Just out of interest, on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being zero and 10 being high priority) where would you rate the threat of some form of universal healthcare coming as a result of the 2008' Presidential election no matter who wins? I think it's about a 8 if not a 9 and that could go higher depending on who get's elected and how the Congress breaks out. Either way, no matter who wins, the creeping gradualism Reagan spoke of will continue. Remember, it's a given where the democrats will go but over the years since Reagan made that speech and you can include Reagan in this mix, the republicans have done nothing to reverse the very course Reagan warned of and even in the most recent couple of years, the republicans even advanced SCHIPS and it's longevity but it just wasn't to the degree the democrats wanted. Just because you take 2 steps forward, 1 step back, 2 steps forward, etc. etc. doesn't mean you are not advancing toward a destination so until I see the republicans at least taking 2 step back and one forward, I can only conclude going republican will get me to total statism at 30 mph rather than a the 100 mph of the democrat plan! Either way I'm there. :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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