Reagan Warned Us About OBAMA!

[MenInBrown]

Reagan Warned Us About Obama - YouTube

 

[The Other Side]

REAGAN ALSO WARNED US ABOUT THE DISASTER HE WAS ABOUT TO CREATE and the HARM IT WOULD CAUSE THE WORLD.

Mr haqqani

These are the LEADERS OF THE TALIBAN in the REAGAN WHITE HOUSE.

You see, REAGAN created USAMA BIN LADEN and his second in command, along with the formation of the TALIBAN and AL QAEDA.

REAGAN CALLED THEM the EQUIVALENT of OUR FOUNDING FATHERS....

Boy was he wrong, over 7500 US military dead and over 3 trillion dollars spent and BOTH of these founding father groups are the biggest terrorists in the world.

Peace

TOS

 

[Catatonic]

Sort of like the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) - the law of unintended consequences takes effect.

It seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

[804brown]

I wish someone would have warned us against reagan!!

 

[Catatonic]

I wish someone would have warned us against reagan!!

There were many warnings ... the only problem was, his opponent was Jimmy Carter, the worst president until Obama came along.

 

[804brown]

There were many warnings ... the only problem was, his opponent was Jimmy Carter, the worst president until Obama came along.

Carter was the most underrated president in history. He was right about our over dependence on foreign oil. He was right to want to raise the cafe standards to 48 mpg by 1995. He was right to tell us to turn down over thermostats. He was right when he had solar panels put on the white house. He was right on a tax on oil profit windfalls. Plus he was right on when it came to peace in the middle east getting egypt and israel to sign a peace treaty. He was also the only president in the past 60 or so years NOT to attack or bomb another country!! In my opinion he was the most moral, ethical president we have ever had. Take away the failed rescue mission in iran and maybe reagan doesnt win. But then again take away the 1953 cia coup against mosadegh in iran and maybe we dont have the 1979 hostage crisis. Oy blowback!!

 

[The Other Side]

I wish someone would have warned us against reagan!!

They did, and tried to tell the country what a mistake Reagan was, unfortunately, Reagan was shot and the sympathy fell back to Reagan and the rest is history.

Peace

TOS

 

[wkmac]

Carter was the most underrated president in history. He was right about our over dependence on foreign oil. He was right to want to raise the cafe standards to 48 mpg by 1995. He was right to tell us to turn down over thermostats. He was right when he had solar panels put on the white house. He was right on a tax on oil profit windfalls. Plus he was right on when it came to peace in the middle east getting egypt and israel to sign a peace treaty. He was also the only president in the past 60 or so years NOT to attack or bomb another country!! In my opinion he was the most moral, ethical president we have ever had. Take away the failed rescue mission in iran and maybe reagan doesnt win. But then again take away the 1953 cia coup against mosadegh in iran and maybe we dont have the 1979 hostage crisis. Oy blowback!!

With the point of 1953' being true, why didn't Carter come out and admit the truth, accept the known brutality of the Shah and his regime and in all likelihood change not only the history of the Middle East in regards to fundamental Islam but very well likely insured a 2nd term? Hostages come home, Iran conflict defused, he's a hero. To make matters worse, Carter even went so far as to insure the explosion of violent, radical islam when on July 3, 1979', 6 months before the Soviets even invaded, secretly ordered aid to begin to flow to anti-Soviet Afghans who became the heart and soul of what would become Al Qaeda some years later.

The even greater irony is that Iran are historic Persians, a different legacy and history unlike it's Arab sunni neighbors and it was they who exploded into radicalism because they watched the Iranian model and ran with it. Makes one almost wonder if the historians one day with prove all the global conspiracy theories to be true.

In Jan. 1998', Carter's closest adviser and oddly enough also to President Obama, Zbigniew Brzezinski gave an interview with the late great Alexander Cockburn and Jeffery St. Clair which was published in Counterpunch.

[SIZE=-1]Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
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So Afghanistan is a trap and yet I'm sure he told his new boss in Obama to amp up his approach to Afghanistan while knowing full good and well what the known history of Afghanistan is and that is, "the Graveyard of Empires!" Funny how democrats love to let the republicans take the credit on this one not that the republicans aren't willing partners either.

Speaking of taking the credit, what about deregulation? Oh sure, another legacy of the great Reagan, the super hero savior of America but like Afghanistan, are the democrats just trying to fool it's own while allowing the republicans to do likewise?

Instead, the rush to deregulation began, first in the transportation sector. Efforts begun under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford came to fruition under Jimmy Carter, who hired deregulation guru Alfred E. Kahn to head the Civil Aeronautics Board, the widely loathed agency responsible for regulating the airline industry. Senator Ted Kennedy and his then aide, future Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer, embraced deregulation as a consumer issue, and with their support, Kahn quickly worked his way out of a job: The 1978 Airline Deregulation Act dissolved the CAB and removed most regulation of commercial airlines. Carter also signed into law bills deregulating the railroads and the trucking industry.

Mar. 2008' Mother Jones

Carter rightly or wrongly is most often vilified or celebrated for many reasons but either side more often than not paper over their claims with mostly myth. Because the record and the details of his Presidency tell a different story and not unlike Obama being another Bush, the truth is Reagan was just another Carter!

 

[brett636]

Carter rightly or wrongly is most often vilified or celebrated for many reasons but either side more often than not paper over their claims with mostly myth. Because the record and the details of his Presidency tell a different story and not unlike Obama being another Bush, the truth is Reagan was just another Carter!

Not exactly. Do you really think Carter could have accomplished what Reagan did in his first term as pointed out in this tv ad?

 

[wkmac]

Not exactly. Do you really think Carter could have accomplished what Reagan did in his first term as pointed out in this tv ad?

I guess you're wearing a snuggie, operating your appliances and lights with The Clapper, food processing with a Slap Chop while spending quality time with your Chia pet too?

 

[brett636]

I guess you're wearing a snuggie, operating your appliances and lights with The Clapper, food processing with a Slap Chop while spending quality time with your Chia pet too?

I understand you don't like it when your proven wrong, but answering the question may make more sense then this nonsense you just posted.

 

[wkmac]

I understand you don't like it when your proven wrong, but answering the question may make more sense then this nonsense you just posted.

I did answer the question. And I also stick by what I said in my response to 804 so there again the question is answered twice!

 

[brett636]

I did answer the question. And I also stick by what I said in my response to 804 so there again the question is answered twice!

I will take your non answer as an admittance to defeat on this matter than let this thread move on to other points. Thanks for playing!

 

[wkmac]

I will take your non answer as an admittance to defeat on this matter than let this thread move on to other points. Thanks for playing!

I'm glad I was able to make you feel better about yourself.

 

[brett636]

I'm glad I was able to make you feel better about yourself.

Its not about how I feel about myself, but just doing my part of exposing the myth you love to propagate that there is no difference between the two parties.

 

[wkmac]

Its not about how I feel about myself, but just doing my part of exposing the myth you love to propagate that there is no difference between the two parties.

Good thing America has you too!

 

[Catatonic]

Its not about how I feel about myself, but just doing my part of exposing the myth you love to propagate that there is no difference between the two parties.

I always thought there was little difference between the parties until Obama came along.
And it really comes down to the individual Obama more than the party.
I never really thought a leader of either party would ever really be serious about turning the US into a Western European style Socialist Democracy.
That has change with Obama.

I will still vote Libertarian whenever I can ... my beliefs have not been altered in that respect.

 

[bbsam]

I always thought there was little difference between the parties until Obama came along.
And it really comes down to the individual Obama more than the party.
I never really thought a leader of either party would ever really be serious about turning the US into a Western European style Socialist Democracy.
That has change with Obama.

I will still vote Libertarian whenever I can ... my beliefs have not been altered in that respect.

Nothing will turn the United States into Western Europe faster than the austerity measures that Ryan and Romney are championing.

 

[bbsam]

I understand you don't like it when your proven wrong, but answering the question may make more sense then this nonsense you just posted.

A TV ad is proof?

 

[ajblakejr]

I'm glad I was able to make you feel better about yourself.

Mac, no disrespect.
I am reading this thread...in order...post by post.
I just finished giving brett positive rep because I watched it and I FELT GOOD.
I was in High School.
I don't much care if anyone blames or dislikes Ronnie.
All I know is how it felt to be an American and that is all I needed to know at that point of my life.

A cute boy, that joined the Marines, spent 444 days as a hostage in some horrible country in the Middle East.
I knew people that knew him and a girl that dated him.

He found his freedom when Ronnie took office.
Look him up, I grew up in the town north of his hometown.


And all these memories flood my heart and brain when I watch.....

I didn't need a chia pet.