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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 6035809" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p>the early christians:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://therealnews.com/chedgespanel1223dbullockcharity[/URL]</p><p></p><p><strong>JAY</strong>: We know much of the Bible was written long after the early Christians and much of the Bible was written once Christianity had become a state religion and, in fact, the religious ideology of the oppressors themselves. The early Christians ain’t that. And that’s where the revolutionary Jesus, that’s where he emerges as the leader of a movement, of an early Christian revolutionary movement.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>HEDGES</strong>: Well, it’s a revolutionary movement in this sense–and, you know, I’ll see if you agree–in that it understands that power is always the problem, that in order to live the moral life, one must always be alienated and stand in opposition to power on behalf of the oppressed.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>JAY</strong>: But he was very specific. They were fighting against the Roman Empire.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>HEDGES</strong>: Well, of course. They were fighting against empire. But that’s how power manifested itself. And there were–Jesus is very clear throughout the gospel that to serve systems you cannot serve two masters. To serve God, one cannot serve systems of power, and certainly systems of empire.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I think, as David said correctly, that it’s also very clear from the gospel that justice is the physical or public manifestation of love. And it is true that the Roman Empire executes Jesus as an insurrectionist and yet Jesus is also a pacifist. But what Jesus is asking followers to do is to turn their backs on the values that empire imparts. So in our empire it is the values of consumerism, of consumption. And Jesus is opposed to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I think that when we go back and look at the early 19th century, with William Jennings Bryan, all sorts of other figures, the Chautauqua movement, although segregated, but you saw–and certainly the black prophetic tradition saw this–they got that radical message, and then in the early 19th century we had the Rockefellers and the Carnegies, who actually invested tremendous sums of money to promote the prosperity gospel, to challenge this narrative, which had fired up the abolitionists and fired up a lot of the socialists, even those around Debs, and that black prophetic tradition came under assault. You’re seeing it under assault today with the rise of Booker T. Obama and Booker T. Sharpton and the attacks on figures like Jeremiah Wright, Cornel West, and others, and because that core, I think, fundamental message of the gospel is anticapitalist, anti-imperialist. Remember when Jesus is taken to the desert by Satan and Satan offers him not only riches, but control of land, which is empire? And that is a condemnation. The Gospels are such a clear condemnation not just of the Roman Empire, but of empire. And remember, as Jeremiah Wright correctly points out, that Jesus wasn’t white. The Romans were white. Jesus was a person of color and came out of the cast of the oppressed, racially and religiously.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 6035809, member: 56035"] the early christians: [URL unfurl="true"]https://therealnews.com/chedgespanel1223dbullockcharity[/URL] [B]JAY[/B]: We know much of the Bible was written long after the early Christians and much of the Bible was written once Christianity had become a state religion and, in fact, the religious ideology of the oppressors themselves. The early Christians ain’t that. And that’s where the revolutionary Jesus, that’s where he emerges as the leader of a movement, of an early Christian revolutionary movement. [B]HEDGES[/B]: Well, it’s a revolutionary movement in this sense–and, you know, I’ll see if you agree–in that it understands that power is always the problem, that in order to live the moral life, one must always be alienated and stand in opposition to power on behalf of the oppressed. [B]JAY[/B]: But he was very specific. They were fighting against the Roman Empire. [B]HEDGES[/B]: Well, of course. They were fighting against empire. But that’s how power manifested itself. And there were–Jesus is very clear throughout the gospel that to serve systems you cannot serve two masters. To serve God, one cannot serve systems of power, and certainly systems of empire. And I think, as David said correctly, that it’s also very clear from the gospel that justice is the physical or public manifestation of love. And it is true that the Roman Empire executes Jesus as an insurrectionist and yet Jesus is also a pacifist. But what Jesus is asking followers to do is to turn their backs on the values that empire imparts. So in our empire it is the values of consumerism, of consumption. And Jesus is opposed to it. And I think that when we go back and look at the early 19th century, with William Jennings Bryan, all sorts of other figures, the Chautauqua movement, although segregated, but you saw–and certainly the black prophetic tradition saw this–they got that radical message, and then in the early 19th century we had the Rockefellers and the Carnegies, who actually invested tremendous sums of money to promote the prosperity gospel, to challenge this narrative, which had fired up the abolitionists and fired up a lot of the socialists, even those around Debs, and that black prophetic tradition came under assault. You’re seeing it under assault today with the rise of Booker T. Obama and Booker T. Sharpton and the attacks on figures like Jeremiah Wright, Cornel West, and others, and because that core, I think, fundamental message of the gospel is anticapitalist, anti-imperialist. Remember when Jesus is taken to the desert by Satan and Satan offers him not only riches, but control of land, which is empire? And that is a condemnation. The Gospels are such a clear condemnation not just of the Roman Empire, but of empire. And remember, as Jeremiah Wright correctly points out, that Jesus wasn’t white. The Romans were white. Jesus was a person of color and came out of the cast of the oppressed, racially and religiously. [/QUOTE]
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