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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 1494812" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p>regarding the military i was sure it was 1.52 trillion what i saw, could be wrong, but they get that number by including classified spending which is not included in the 600 billion number.</p><p></p><p>i think part of the reason workers dont work harder is because theres no incentive under captialism. quite often they just do as little as they have to keep their job. if they work harder, there no correlation in pay. thats why i am in favor of worker cooperatives and workers voting on how to run their own businesses instead of capitalism.</p><p></p><p>yea if the minimum wage rose with inflation it would be at 10.80 or so now, which is what its peak was in 1968.</p><p></p><p>federal loans may have something to do with it, but i listen to a lot of guys and they never say anything like that. if your poor and u dont pay any taxes, then they are free for that person. or if u pay very little taxes, and get alot more value in education than what u pay, then its a good deal. hopefully the person who pays for it is the people who are most able to pay for it which are the rich.</p><p></p><p>i think free markets are quite unresponsive and full of misinformation like ridiculous advertisements. its certainly not based on facts.</p><p></p><p>chomsky is up there with socrates in terms of how much he is quoted for his poltiics and linguistics. i find it troubling you mentioned thomas sowell earlier. you'd have corporate tyranny with no government. the reason government is hated in part by corporations is because it can be democratized. but i agree after we get rid of the hiearchical corporations then we can get rid of and minimize the government to a local level. corporations are massive private economic tyrannies. markets arent always that great, and with markets is supposed to be free movement of labor which u do not have currently. so for example many companies pay minimum wage only because the government forces them to, if there was no minimum wage, quite often they would be paying less (and possibly hiring more). another example of markets is there is no vacation law in america; it is left to the market. so americans typically take 2-3 weeks vacation a year. whereas in europe, the law states that the worker must get 4,5,6 weeks paid vacation. some things sowell says is honest, but hes full of lies. ron paul is much more honest, and even more so is paul craig roberts. gerald celente is honest. 9/11 happened because of america's forgien policy of supporting dictators, crushing democracy, mass murder, and controlling resources. this has been going strong since wwII but america has been meddling in other countries for hundreds of years.</p><p></p><p>USPS does work, the government even borrowed money from it. In addition the government doesnt fund it. And its cheaper than Fedex and UPS. But those corporations have the government impose all kinds of restrictions on deliveries and whatever else on it and it is being privatized. they promote free markets, but they like government as long as it makes them money.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://ralphnaderradiohour.libsyn.com/mark-dimondstein-drones-credit-cards" target="_blank">http://ralphnaderradiohour.libsyn.com/mark-dimondstein-drones-credit-cards</a></p><p></p><p>"it is futile to be ‘anti-Fascist’ while attempting to preserve capitalism. Fascism after all is only a development of capitalism, and the mildest democracy, so-called, is liable to turn into Fascism" - orwell</p><p></p><p>yea of course corporations dont formally control education or government , but they increasingly do informally and people are catching on.</p><p></p><p>anyways i think your 2 cents was much better than 90% of all the other nonsense on brownscafe. u cant have serious conversatoins with most of the guys here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 1494812, member: 56035"] regarding the military i was sure it was 1.52 trillion what i saw, could be wrong, but they get that number by including classified spending which is not included in the 600 billion number. i think part of the reason workers dont work harder is because theres no incentive under captialism. quite often they just do as little as they have to keep their job. if they work harder, there no correlation in pay. thats why i am in favor of worker cooperatives and workers voting on how to run their own businesses instead of capitalism. yea if the minimum wage rose with inflation it would be at 10.80 or so now, which is what its peak was in 1968. federal loans may have something to do with it, but i listen to a lot of guys and they never say anything like that. if your poor and u dont pay any taxes, then they are free for that person. or if u pay very little taxes, and get alot more value in education than what u pay, then its a good deal. hopefully the person who pays for it is the people who are most able to pay for it which are the rich. i think free markets are quite unresponsive and full of misinformation like ridiculous advertisements. its certainly not based on facts. chomsky is up there with socrates in terms of how much he is quoted for his poltiics and linguistics. i find it troubling you mentioned thomas sowell earlier. you'd have corporate tyranny with no government. the reason government is hated in part by corporations is because it can be democratized. but i agree after we get rid of the hiearchical corporations then we can get rid of and minimize the government to a local level. corporations are massive private economic tyrannies. markets arent always that great, and with markets is supposed to be free movement of labor which u do not have currently. so for example many companies pay minimum wage only because the government forces them to, if there was no minimum wage, quite often they would be paying less (and possibly hiring more). another example of markets is there is no vacation law in america; it is left to the market. so americans typically take 2-3 weeks vacation a year. whereas in europe, the law states that the worker must get 4,5,6 weeks paid vacation. some things sowell says is honest, but hes full of lies. ron paul is much more honest, and even more so is paul craig roberts. gerald celente is honest. 9/11 happened because of america's forgien policy of supporting dictators, crushing democracy, mass murder, and controlling resources. this has been going strong since wwII but america has been meddling in other countries for hundreds of years. USPS does work, the government even borrowed money from it. In addition the government doesnt fund it. And its cheaper than Fedex and UPS. But those corporations have the government impose all kinds of restrictions on deliveries and whatever else on it and it is being privatized. they promote free markets, but they like government as long as it makes them money. [url]http://ralphnaderradiohour.libsyn.com/mark-dimondstein-drones-credit-cards[/url] "it is futile to be ‘anti-Fascist’ while attempting to preserve capitalism. Fascism after all is only a development of capitalism, and the mildest democracy, so-called, is liable to turn into Fascism" - orwell yea of course corporations dont formally control education or government , but they increasingly do informally and people are catching on. anyways i think your 2 cents was much better than 90% of all the other nonsense on brownscafe. u cant have serious conversatoins with most of the guys here. [/QUOTE]
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