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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 870441" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I actually agree with Perry that many of the programs he's called UnConstitutional are indeed that but this demands a strict interpretation mostly of Art. 1 and Art. 2 authorities and so very few people take that position today. Even so-called conservatives who on the one hand say they believe in a strict interpretation begin to back away at ever accelerating rates when the "strict" approach effects their own backyard. Examples are suppression of public welfare of the social safety net while not wanting to touch the much larger corp. welfare safety net, ignoring the ever larger encroaching state in regards to civil liberties, suppression of local control and self determination even in areas of social ideals, topdown mandates in education mostly for a corp. outcome (abandoning the classical education of the trivium and quadrivium methods) and finally expansionist policies in regards to foreign policy, militarism and even police and surveil actions across the broader population. Overall not unlike their so-called liberal counterparts, conservatives, even the limited gov't types, are out to construct and apply their self interest versions of central planning and interventionist outcomes over a controlled society.</p><p></p><p>Conservatives on the one hand scream for limited gov't and yet on the other feed the monster to ever greater and greater size. You can't have it both ways because it won't work and the last 30 years has been the proof in the pudding IMO. Whether one likes Ron Paul or not for example, he has proven that if you are going to hold and maintain certain principles, you are going to catch heat because of it. However, over time if you stay consistent, even those who oppose you will come to at least admire and respect you for it and even in some cases, given the current flip flopping fish in the barrel to pick from, some of those who once opposed might even consider supporting you.</p><p></p><p>I have no intentions of voting and yeah go ahead and run them mouths, not that your own voting hasn't screwed up the world we live in but if I were Ron Paul and got the nomination, I'd pick a Russ Feingold as my VP. Yeah I know most of you don't and won't get it but talk about shaking up the world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 870441, member: 2189"] I actually agree with Perry that many of the programs he's called UnConstitutional are indeed that but this demands a strict interpretation mostly of Art. 1 and Art. 2 authorities and so very few people take that position today. Even so-called conservatives who on the one hand say they believe in a strict interpretation begin to back away at ever accelerating rates when the "strict" approach effects their own backyard. Examples are suppression of public welfare of the social safety net while not wanting to touch the much larger corp. welfare safety net, ignoring the ever larger encroaching state in regards to civil liberties, suppression of local control and self determination even in areas of social ideals, topdown mandates in education mostly for a corp. outcome (abandoning the classical education of the trivium and quadrivium methods) and finally expansionist policies in regards to foreign policy, militarism and even police and surveil actions across the broader population. Overall not unlike their so-called liberal counterparts, conservatives, even the limited gov't types, are out to construct and apply their self interest versions of central planning and interventionist outcomes over a controlled society. Conservatives on the one hand scream for limited gov't and yet on the other feed the monster to ever greater and greater size. You can't have it both ways because it won't work and the last 30 years has been the proof in the pudding IMO. Whether one likes Ron Paul or not for example, he has proven that if you are going to hold and maintain certain principles, you are going to catch heat because of it. However, over time if you stay consistent, even those who oppose you will come to at least admire and respect you for it and even in some cases, given the current flip flopping fish in the barrel to pick from, some of those who once opposed might even consider supporting you. I have no intentions of voting and yeah go ahead and run them mouths, not that your own voting hasn't screwed up the world we live in but if I were Ron Paul and got the nomination, I'd pick a Russ Feingold as my VP. Yeah I know most of you don't and won't get it but talk about shaking up the world. [/QUOTE]
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