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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 930789" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I think Ron is a nightmare scenario for both political parties and I mean that in a good way from my POV. From the republican side if Ron were to get the nomination, it would chase the crony and vulture capitalism money out of the republican party (yes that includes the Kochs who hate Paul's economic ideas, that should speak volumes alone) leaving the more traditional free marketeer advocates to hold the field. The flipside would be that all the money would go to the democrats and Obama plus for once the picture of what pretends to be free market and what is more the real deal would become much, much clearer for all to see. I'd welcome a national debate between Keynesian/Monetarism verses Austrian/free market thought. Rothbard/Mises/Hayek verses Krugman/Friedman/Greenspan, bring it on as I love the odds! Add to that, the democrats would be forced to explain to the OWS folks how come it's getting all the 1% money while claiming to break bread with the 99%. </p><p></p><p>Ron owns the antiwar position so this one area Obama can't use like he did in 08' and in some sense this forces Obama again to the right which some on the left are not going to like. The democrats have under completely false illusions owned the antiwar position but Ron would throw that bloody shirt out into the light of day for all to see. </p><p></p><p>Another tradition owned by the democrats has been civil liberties but Ron destroys that bigtime and again exposes Obama as nothing but an extreme fear mucking right winger. He may be this by default for being nothing more than an errand boy for men(wolves) in sheep's cloaks. The civil libertarian left who've made a home in the democrat party will be forced out of the dark and made to make clear, hard choices for all to see. </p><p></p><p>Many in the OWS movement are becoming more and more anti-Federal Reserve and Ron owns that issue. Even Newt to his credit made note that Ron Paul has been a consistent knowledgeable voice warning about the Federal Reserve going back to when Newt himself first entered Congress and it's harm because of monetary policy. If a debate between Obama and Paul got on the subject of economics and monetary policy, Ron would wipe the floor with Obama not that he wouldn't do the same with the other republican wanna-bees. </p><p></p><p>Deficit reduction? Paul has a very serious plan of serious cuts and I know so many will claim the great mass extinction will occur if Ron has his way but most of what he wants to cut is far more about regulatory capture than it is about doing some civic good for the people. <a href="http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f13/we-need-govt-regulate-protect-us-342360/#post930055" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">See this</span></a> for the basic gist on regulatory capture. Between the money saved on foreign ventures and the cuts in gov't size, all this money now remains in the private sector and in order for it to do something and earn a return, it will need to be put to work in the private economy and with that comes jobs and new businesses mostly small and local. What a true free market does best and works best in.</p><p></p><p>Ending the drug war of which Paul seriously advocates to do will do more to end certain forms of institutional racism that have existed for a longtime. The drug war in truth has been about creating a type justice-industrial complex that has been nothing more than a corporate welfare bonanza for the connected players. Just research the many companies involved and their profit lines over time and the truth leaps off the pages. Think again lobby and regulatory capture. Ending this wealth re-distribution would return large sums of money back into the private sector (not via a gov't central planning model) to once again need investing in said private markets to earn a return. This again leads to job opportunities and new businesses.</p><p></p><p>A Ron Paul nominee is the nightmare neither democrat or republican establishocrats want because "We The People" would then clearly see that both parties are the 2 wings of the same bird of prey!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 930789, member: 2189"] I think Ron is a nightmare scenario for both political parties and I mean that in a good way from my POV. From the republican side if Ron were to get the nomination, it would chase the crony and vulture capitalism money out of the republican party (yes that includes the Kochs who hate Paul's economic ideas, that should speak volumes alone) leaving the more traditional free marketeer advocates to hold the field. The flipside would be that all the money would go to the democrats and Obama plus for once the picture of what pretends to be free market and what is more the real deal would become much, much clearer for all to see. I'd welcome a national debate between Keynesian/Monetarism verses Austrian/free market thought. Rothbard/Mises/Hayek verses Krugman/Friedman/Greenspan, bring it on as I love the odds! Add to that, the democrats would be forced to explain to the OWS folks how come it's getting all the 1% money while claiming to break bread with the 99%. Ron owns the antiwar position so this one area Obama can't use like he did in 08' and in some sense this forces Obama again to the right which some on the left are not going to like. The democrats have under completely false illusions owned the antiwar position but Ron would throw that bloody shirt out into the light of day for all to see. Another tradition owned by the democrats has been civil liberties but Ron destroys that bigtime and again exposes Obama as nothing but an extreme fear mucking right winger. He may be this by default for being nothing more than an errand boy for men(wolves) in sheep's cloaks. The civil libertarian left who've made a home in the democrat party will be forced out of the dark and made to make clear, hard choices for all to see. Many in the OWS movement are becoming more and more anti-Federal Reserve and Ron owns that issue. Even Newt to his credit made note that Ron Paul has been a consistent knowledgeable voice warning about the Federal Reserve going back to when Newt himself first entered Congress and it's harm because of monetary policy. If a debate between Obama and Paul got on the subject of economics and monetary policy, Ron would wipe the floor with Obama not that he wouldn't do the same with the other republican wanna-bees. Deficit reduction? Paul has a very serious plan of serious cuts and I know so many will claim the great mass extinction will occur if Ron has his way but most of what he wants to cut is far more about regulatory capture than it is about doing some civic good for the people. [URL="http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f13/we-need-govt-regulate-protect-us-342360/#post930055"][COLOR=#ff0000]See this[/COLOR][/URL] for the basic gist on regulatory capture. Between the money saved on foreign ventures and the cuts in gov't size, all this money now remains in the private sector and in order for it to do something and earn a return, it will need to be put to work in the private economy and with that comes jobs and new businesses mostly small and local. What a true free market does best and works best in. Ending the drug war of which Paul seriously advocates to do will do more to end certain forms of institutional racism that have existed for a longtime. The drug war in truth has been about creating a type justice-industrial complex that has been nothing more than a corporate welfare bonanza for the connected players. Just research the many companies involved and their profit lines over time and the truth leaps off the pages. Think again lobby and regulatory capture. Ending this wealth re-distribution would return large sums of money back into the private sector (not via a gov't central planning model) to once again need investing in said private markets to earn a return. This again leads to job opportunities and new businesses. A Ron Paul nominee is the nightmare neither democrat or republican establishocrats want because "We The People" would then clearly see that both parties are the 2 wings of the same bird of prey! [/QUOTE]
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