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<blockquote data-quote="fedx" data-source="post: 3828405" data-attributes="member: 64891"><p>It's all a trade off. Yes UPS pays great, but you're monitored in everything you do. Plus I've heard several times that UPS tries to build a case to fire you from the very first day you're hired. FedEx doesn't pay as well, but they don't keep track of your seatbelt either. So it's a trade off. Most union shops have an adversarial relationship with their employers. That's just how they're set up. If there wasn't such a relationship, there wouldn't be a real need for a union (except maybe for pay). UPS drivers deliver heavy packages just like FedEx Ground, where Express handles lighter packages since it's air freight and more expensive to ship. So Express drivers don't get their bodies as beat up as UPS. However, Express could pay their drivers better and have less turnover. I'm not saying pay starting drivers at $30 an hour, but maybe top drivers out at 5 years instead of 10. Ten years (at best) top out is still ridiculous. I've talked to long time drivers who said back in the early 80s people were topped out in 3 months. Then it was 1 year, then 18 months, then 3 years. Then it switched to 20 years and that's when all the turnover started happening. Five years top out would be a good time span. And with the problems keeping RTDs, they really should do something to keep them since there's such a shortage of them. As far as technology goes, it's a double edged sword. It's good for safety, but not good for comfort. You mention front facing cameras. I've heard of OTR trucking companies who have those front facing cameras who will turn them on without the driver knowing and they monitor the driver just to get a laugh. Watch the driver pick his nose or sing or whatever just to entertain themselves. With technology comes the ability to abuse it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fedx, post: 3828405, member: 64891"] It's all a trade off. Yes UPS pays great, but you're monitored in everything you do. Plus I've heard several times that UPS tries to build a case to fire you from the very first day you're hired. FedEx doesn't pay as well, but they don't keep track of your seatbelt either. So it's a trade off. Most union shops have an adversarial relationship with their employers. That's just how they're set up. If there wasn't such a relationship, there wouldn't be a real need for a union (except maybe for pay). UPS drivers deliver heavy packages just like FedEx Ground, where Express handles lighter packages since it's air freight and more expensive to ship. So Express drivers don't get their bodies as beat up as UPS. However, Express could pay their drivers better and have less turnover. I'm not saying pay starting drivers at $30 an hour, but maybe top drivers out at 5 years instead of 10. Ten years (at best) top out is still ridiculous. I've talked to long time drivers who said back in the early 80s people were topped out in 3 months. Then it was 1 year, then 18 months, then 3 years. Then it switched to 20 years and that's when all the turnover started happening. Five years top out would be a good time span. And with the problems keeping RTDs, they really should do something to keep them since there's such a shortage of them. As far as technology goes, it's a double edged sword. It's good for safety, but not good for comfort. You mention front facing cameras. I've heard of OTR trucking companies who have those front facing cameras who will turn them on without the driver knowing and they monitor the driver just to get a laugh. Watch the driver pick his nose or sing or whatever just to entertain themselves. With technology comes the ability to abuse it. [/QUOTE]
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