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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fishtm2001" data-source="post: 5188047" data-attributes="member: 54375">"Ukrainians are not some scary other, as lots of Ukrainians live in Russia, lots of Russians live and work in Ukraine, and family ties are common. President Volodymyr Zelensky is ethnically Russian, for example. Unlike the other wars, this is a borderline civil war, and Russians are hesitating this time.The propaganda war is also faltering this time around. It's not barbarian Chechens, or Syrians, but the more cultivated Ukraine. And it seems to be severely ill-planned, lacking logistics and underestimating the resolve of the people living there."fnordios</blockquote>