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<blockquote data-quote="air_dr" data-source="post: 1015969" data-attributes="member: 29929"><p>This thread and two earlier one's you have posted recently on relieving yourself in a bottle and cutting across peoples lawns have made me reflect...Since I believe we both consider ourselves followers of Christ, I would like to try and weave Sacred Scripture into my reaction...</p><p></p><p>Bottom line, while I believe you have some good intentions, I also believe your analysis has kept you busy straining gnats (and in the mean time, you may perhaps be unconsciously swallowing a camel in some other area of your life). I suggest a reading of Matthew 23 <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV" target="_blank">Matthew 23 NIV - A Warning Against Hypocrisy - Then - Bible Gateway</a>.</p><p></p><p>As far as the matter of responsibility for safety, I believe that poster in the hub offers good advice for this imperfect world in which we find ourselves, even if what you are saying about the employer being responsible for safety through training and enforcement makes sense to me as well. The longer I have lived, the more I have come to appreciate how I need to be the one looking out for myself and not expect others to look out for me because the result of leaving that responsibility to others has a way of putting me on the losing end. Right or wrong, such has simply been my experience in life.</p><p></p><p><em>That poster, in my mind, is a general exhortation to follow what you have been taught and, even more importantly perhaps, use common sense and good judgement.</em> The Apolstle Paul told the Thessalonians "He who does not work, does not eat." It's a generalization and I believe he hit the nail on the head for the context in which he said it: Some people quit working, had become busy bodies, and expected others to support them. I certainly don't believe Paul's words give us permission to neglect the disabled who truly cannot work and just allow them to starve because that is not what I believe Paul had in mind, even though Scripture does not make that explicitly clear.</p><p></p><p>What I think this and your other two threads which I mention fail to take into consideration is what I believe is the imposibility, in practical terms, of coming up with a thorough users' manual for life which would effectively cover every circumstance. Real life is just too complicated and nuanced. Furthermore, people who make the rules are sometimes simply out of touch with the reality of some situation. It's just the way it is.</p><p></p><p>“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” As Jesus Himself says at the end of the quote, this covers it all...even if it doesn't fill in all the details. </p><p></p><p>In your two earlier threads where you were concerned about stepping on lawns and relieving yourself, since neither matter is a moral issue per se, and you have a directive coming from a person who seems to have gotten out of touch with the reality of operations, I say just strive to be courteous. If you relieve yourself in a bottle, make sure you dispose of it in a coureous way rather than leave it behind for another person to handle. If someone is very touchy about people stepping on his lawn and he asks to to stay on the walkway, you should do so, reagardless of whether there has been some special directive from management. If you have received a conflicting message, as you hypothetically suggest, and someone clearly couldn't care less if someone walks on his dandelion infested lawn, I wouldn't hesiatate to cut across. Its just that simple.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="air_dr, post: 1015969, member: 29929"] This thread and two earlier one's you have posted recently on relieving yourself in a bottle and cutting across peoples lawns have made me reflect...Since I believe we both consider ourselves followers of Christ, I would like to try and weave Sacred Scripture into my reaction... Bottom line, while I believe you have some good intentions, I also believe your analysis has kept you busy straining gnats (and in the mean time, you may perhaps be unconsciously swallowing a camel in some other area of your life). I suggest a reading of Matthew 23 [URL="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV"]Matthew 23 NIV - A Warning Against Hypocrisy - Then - Bible Gateway[/URL]. As far as the matter of responsibility for safety, I believe that poster in the hub offers good advice for this imperfect world in which we find ourselves, even if what you are saying about the employer being responsible for safety through training and enforcement makes sense to me as well. The longer I have lived, the more I have come to appreciate how I need to be the one looking out for myself and not expect others to look out for me because the result of leaving that responsibility to others has a way of putting me on the losing end. Right or wrong, such has simply been my experience in life. [I]That poster, in my mind, is a general exhortation to follow what you have been taught and, even more importantly perhaps, use common sense and good judgement.[/I] The Apolstle Paul told the Thessalonians "He who does not work, does not eat." It's a generalization and I believe he hit the nail on the head for the context in which he said it: Some people quit working, had become busy bodies, and expected others to support them. I certainly don't believe Paul's words give us permission to neglect the disabled who truly cannot work and just allow them to starve because that is not what I believe Paul had in mind, even though Scripture does not make that explicitly clear. What I think this and your other two threads which I mention fail to take into consideration is what I believe is the imposibility, in practical terms, of coming up with a thorough users' manual for life which would effectively cover every circumstance. Real life is just too complicated and nuanced. Furthermore, people who make the rules are sometimes simply out of touch with the reality of some situation. It's just the way it is. “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” As Jesus Himself says at the end of the quote, this covers it all...even if it doesn't fill in all the details. In your two earlier threads where you were concerned about stepping on lawns and relieving yourself, since neither matter is a moral issue per se, and you have a directive coming from a person who seems to have gotten out of touch with the reality of operations, I say just strive to be courteous. If you relieve yourself in a bottle, make sure you dispose of it in a coureous way rather than leave it behind for another person to handle. If someone is very touchy about people stepping on his lawn and he asks to to stay on the walkway, you should do so, reagardless of whether there has been some special directive from management. If you have received a conflicting message, as you hypothetically suggest, and someone clearly couldn't care less if someone walks on his dandelion infested lawn, I wouldn't hesiatate to cut across. Its just that simple. [/QUOTE]
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