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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 73950" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>There is no doubt from my end that saddaam was/is a vile creature that should be put to death.</p><p></p><p>For his type, where there is no reasonable doubt I wouldn't have a qualm about pulling the trigger (or baseball bat) myself right now.</p><p></p><p>The trial already shows it is just going to be a circus and anything short of execution will be a travesty of justice.</p><p></p><p>The world will certainly be better of without such scum.</p><p></p><p>Is Iraq a better, safer place to live since the invasion?</p><p></p><p>Not for most. </p><p></p><p>Those in the cities and much elsewhere had electricity, food and water prior to the invasion and many still don't have two out of three of those at any given moment currently.</p><p></p><p>That is not even counting the multiple thousands of innocents that have died since the beginning of the invasion.</p><p></p><p>We are not even close to bringing the country's infrastructure back up to what it was pre-invasion, let alone where it was before the sanctions incurred from saddaam's military invasion of kuwait brought the country to it's knees.</p><p></p><p>Will the situation improve?</p><p></p><p>I certainly hope so for both Iraq and the USA's sake.</p><p></p><p>I believe I read it's cost our military/country something like 250 billiion dollars to date (not to mention so many lives of our best and most precious) and is estimated to cost another billion next year alone.</p><p></p><p>I don't have much optimism for Iraq to end up a democratic ally, but I hope we can at least get their military up to an adequate level to maintain their own country so we can get our troops out.</p><p></p><p>As long as we remain an occupation force there the massive and senseless destruction of infrastructure and life will continue unabated as too much of the population supports such activists either actively or passively whether by philosophy or fear (doesn't matter really as we don't have the manpower to protect the population from the reprisals the fear arises from unfortunately).</p><p></p><p>We are bleeding our youth's blood and country's economical health out in that land for what appears little gain even temporarily, let alone long term.</p><p></p><p>If you believe the Iraq government will become a fair, democratic government and ally of the USA and a stabilizing force in the mideast I could see you thinking it a worthwhile cost we have and are paying.</p><p></p><p>I just don't see those as the likely results personally and so view the costs too high.</p><p></p><p>We simply cannot be the judge, jury and executioner for the world's wrongs, we are not that numerous to be able to accomplish that unfortunately.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 73950, member: 1356"] There is no doubt from my end that saddaam was/is a vile creature that should be put to death. For his type, where there is no reasonable doubt I wouldn't have a qualm about pulling the trigger (or baseball bat) myself right now. The trial already shows it is just going to be a circus and anything short of execution will be a travesty of justice. The world will certainly be better of without such scum. Is Iraq a better, safer place to live since the invasion? Not for most. Those in the cities and much elsewhere had electricity, food and water prior to the invasion and many still don't have two out of three of those at any given moment currently. That is not even counting the multiple thousands of innocents that have died since the beginning of the invasion. We are not even close to bringing the country's infrastructure back up to what it was pre-invasion, let alone where it was before the sanctions incurred from saddaam's military invasion of kuwait brought the country to it's knees. Will the situation improve? I certainly hope so for both Iraq and the USA's sake. I believe I read it's cost our military/country something like 250 billiion dollars to date (not to mention so many lives of our best and most precious) and is estimated to cost another billion next year alone. I don't have much optimism for Iraq to end up a democratic ally, but I hope we can at least get their military up to an adequate level to maintain their own country so we can get our troops out. As long as we remain an occupation force there the massive and senseless destruction of infrastructure and life will continue unabated as too much of the population supports such activists either actively or passively whether by philosophy or fear (doesn't matter really as we don't have the manpower to protect the population from the reprisals the fear arises from unfortunately). We are bleeding our youth's blood and country's economical health out in that land for what appears little gain even temporarily, let alone long term. If you believe the Iraq government will become a fair, democratic government and ally of the USA and a stabilizing force in the mideast I could see you thinking it a worthwhile cost we have and are paying. I just don't see those as the likely results personally and so view the costs too high. We simply cannot be the judge, jury and executioner for the world's wrongs, we are not that numerous to be able to accomplish that unfortunately. [/QUOTE]
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