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Feederquacker

Well-Known Member
I have been thinking about this for years but this year it seems more appropriate to bring it up. The Democrat base platform has alway evolved. Sometimes for the good, sometimes not. Recently it seems that the Democrat platform is increasingly and forcefully incorporating SOME socialist ideals. More and more young people want outright Socialism and Communism. I’ve heard Candidates for office outright say free markets need to be pushed aside for Democratic Socialism and Government control (controlled by the people) of our nations companies and resources. I don’t understand why our Union doesn’t push back on this? It’s obvious to me that with these types of actions taken (I hope they never are) that our Union will be, by necessity, disbanded. With Democratic Socialism and Govt control, even if it’s by the people, our Union will have no one to negotiate with. Plus our jobs and pay will be in jeopardy. After all, within Democratic Socialism, the greater good of the people will either take twice the amount of taxes from us or drop our pay rate substantially so the profits of the company can be added to the Nations Treasury. I am increasingly worried with the media pushing these type of Candidates on us and our Union staying silent. The end game means we get screwed. Will someone please explain to me why our Union is endorsing some of these people and won’t push back on their bad ideas? I get they do support us now with labor rights and workers rights but if in the end they will devour us, why stay quiet about that for any short term gain?
 

OrionIsDaddy

Well-Known Member
I mean what could be more socialist than a union? Your pension is a socialist idea, your healthcare is a socialist idea. Paying 'taxes into something that benefits all

The good of society (company) is good for it's people (workers).

Just because Fox News has dragged the word socialist through the mud doesn't mean it has to be scary. I'm not advocating for any kind of political ideology but take a step back and look at the real definition of the word.
 

Feederquacker

Well-Known Member
I mean what could be more socialist than a union? Your pension is a socialist idea, your healthcare is a socialist idea. Paying 'taxes into something that benefits all

The good of society (company) is good for it's people (workers).

Just because Fox News has dragged the word socialist through the mud doesn't mean it has to be scary. I'm not advocating for any kind of political ideology but take a step back and look at the real definition of the word.



I did. That’s why I’m worried.
 

OrionsBitch

Not...
Big difference between "social ideologies/programs" and "socialist ideologies/governments." Not to mention the oversight of these social ideas would be carried out by two completely different functioning bodies.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
I mean what could be more socialist than a union? Your pension is a socialist idea, your healthcare is a socialist idea. Paying 'taxes into something that benefits all

The good of society (company) is good for it's people (workers).

Just because Fox News has dragged the word socialist through the mud doesn't mean it has to be scary. I'm not advocating for any kind of political ideology but take a step back and look at the real definition of the word.

Just looked it up in the dictionary.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/

noun:
A system where everyone is equally poor except for the ruling class.

 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
So do you propose eliminating Socialist Security or Medicare for the elderly?

You know full well that doesn't make us a socialist system. We're a capitalist society with social welfare and entitlements programs. Socialism is the government controlling the means of production along with heavy taxation and wealth redistribution.
 

PT Car Washer

Well-Known Member
You know full well that doesn't make us a socialist system. We're a capitalist society with social welfare and entitlements programs. Socialism is the government controlling the means of production along with heavy taxation and wealth redistribution.
I don't know about government controlling the means of production, but most Western European democracies seem to take better care of their citizens health and welfare then this country. I am sure the US has more billionaires but also more poor and imprisoned citizens.
 

PT Car Washer

Well-Known Member
Yes, save your own damn money. Social security is a Ponzi scheme. I will pay into Social Security but probably never see a dime of it. Medicare is also a joke.
Maybe you won't but I am getting ready to start collecting any time now. I don't need Medicare as I am eligible for Tricare. Retired military health care plan.
 

zubenelgenubi

Living for Lunch Break
I don't know about government controlling the means of production, but most Western European democracies seem to take better care of their citizens health and welfare then this country. I am sure the US has more billionaires but also more poor and imprisoned citizens.

If you approve of 50%+ tax rates, then you too can let the government show you how good it really is at wasting your money on mismanaging social programs. If you want an example of how our government would manage health care, look no further than the VA.
 

rod

Retired 19 years
Yes, save your own damn money. Social security is a Ponzi scheme. I will pay into Social Security but probably never see a dime of it. Medicare is also a joke.


You can always tell the young ones. :rolleyes: Believe it or not when I was growing up a hundred years ago the word on the street was that SS would go bankrupt by the 80's. Medicare is NOT a joke. I shutter to think how many people would be homeless if there was no Medicare to pay 80% of their later on in life medical bills.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
I don't know about government controlling the means of production, but most Western European democracies seem to take better care of their citizens health and welfare then this country. I am sure the US has more billionaires but also more poor and imprisoned citizens.

You seem unaware that healthcare sucks in most of these countries that have single payer. You're "covered" but only when you can actually see the doctor. Many procedures take years to get when it would take a week or two in the US. In most cases we also have the highest expertise and technology. Which is why VIP's from around the world leave their country and have procedures done in the US.
 

rod

Retired 19 years
If you approve of 50%+ tax rates, then you too can let the government show you how good it really is at wasting your money on mismanaging social programs. If you want an example of how our government would manage health care, look no further than the VA.


I've had EXCELLANT VA care. I also doctor with our local health clinic just to keep my options open and I prefer the VA experience anytime. I've NEVER had to wait longer than 15 minutes of any scheduled appt. time.
 

PT Car Washer

Well-Known Member
You seem unaware that healthcare sucks in most of these countries that have single payer. You're "covered" but only when you can actually see the doctor. Many procedures take years to get when it would take a week or two in the US. In most cases we also have the highest expertise and technology. Which is why VIP's from around the world leave their country and have procedures done in the US.
Fake news.
 

rod

Retired 19 years
You seem unaware that healthcare sucks in most of these countries that have single payer. You're "covered" but only when you can actually see the doctor. Many procedures take years to get when it would take a week or two in the US. In most cases we also have the highest expertise and technology. Which is why VIP's from around the world leave their country and have procedures done in the US.

Visit the Mayo Clinic in Mn. sometime and you will see people from all over the world who trust them above their own countries doctors.
 

PT Car Washer

Well-Known Member
If you approve of 50%+ tax rates, then you too can let the government show you how good it really is at wasting your money on mismanaging social programs. If you want an example of how our government would manage health care, look no further than the VA.
You mean like the US Air Force $1200 coffee cups? 50% of our tax Dollars go to big Defense companies lining their pockets.
 

Big Heavy Package Handler

Well-Known Member
Yes, save your own damn money. Social security is a Ponzi scheme. I will pay into Social Security but probably never see a dime of it. Medicare is also a joke.
Maybe you won't but I am getting ready to start collecting any time now. I don't need Medicare as I am eligible for Tricare. Retired military health care plan.

You don’t see the issue in that?
 
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