Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by santoape, Feb 27, 2010.

  1. santoape

    santoape New Member

    Any drivers/centers having there sphor certified by a 3 day ride. Our management is riding with us and telling us if we dont meet our sphor we will be terminated. Management is picking the days to ride with you and we are seeing it is the lightest, less miles , less bulk days they are choosing to ride with you. Is this threat going on at other centers across the nation?
  2. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Around here it's "SPORH" :wink2:
    This happens periodically, just do your job and don't stress about it. No one ever got fired for doing their job.
  3. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    They have to show you the results of the three day ride. You have to sign off on the results. If they don't allow you to see or to sign off on it then it is not valid. Therefore they can't enforce (they can certainly try to).

    If they show you the results, you have the right to add your comments to their results.

    I, personally, would be making notes on the paperwork, stating the load was lightened, the miles were lessened, the load was perfected prior to leave time. I would make them initial and I would make them give me a copy of it. If there was any disciplinary action taken as a result of not complying with the SPORH, I would produce a copy of the three day ride. They certainly will not.

    There are ways to counteract mgt's attempts at forcing this type of action. You have to be proactive in your actions.
  4. onewithedd

    onewithedd Active Member

    They are doing it because thier chops are getting busted, for over/unders. Like Jones said just do your job. Stay on trace and follow your methods.
  5. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Oh boy, I'm gonna be having some fun with this stuff!
  6. santoape

    santoape New Member

    So it sounds if they are doing this to everyone, I will make sure i take notes and try and get copy of summary and 3 day ride.
  7. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    Not everyone. In the last year I know of 3 drivers in my center that got a 3 day ride. I didn't disagree with it in either case. The job does require a considerable amount of effort. If you don't show it, expect a ride along. One guy went from 2 hours over to scratch, although he is slowly slowing down again.
  8. santoape

    santoape New Member

    2 hours over we would be in office everyday on phone with district manager
  9. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    Brown, the job does require a considerable amount of effort and personal dedication. It is very easy to (I hesitate to use this word) slack off. I know. BTDT! It was never intentional, just not being aware of it. With some help via a 3-day ride along last year and conversations with with a certain retired mgr (thank you) I have made great strides this last year in improving my times. I still have rtes that I don't know very well and struggle with but the ones that I do know, I do much better with.
  10. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    I agree, but some people on this thread say 2 hours over is a good day in their center. I wonder. Most in our center are scratch or not much over.
  11. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    Dill, we all tend to lose the sense of urgency over time, whether it be bad habits or whatever. Good to see you have improved. The job is hard enough without having someone breathing down your neck.
  12. whiskey

    whiskey New Member

    If he was two hours paid over, he would have been under dispatched by 30 minutes, based on a 9.5 day. Because nobody goes over 9.5. And he would have been under dispatched every day. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. I think you know what happens to pre load soups when they under dispatch a driver. And it ain't pretty.
  13. browniehound

    browniehound Well-Known Member

    It is, but there are certain rules management must follow to "lock" you into a SPORH. I don't know how it is where you are or if you're mis-informed, but management CANNOT "pick and choose" certain days. It must be 3 consecutive days. In other words, if a day is missed the 3-day ride must be started again.

    Also (at least here in MA), the AM break must be taken before the 3rd hour and the hour lunch must be taken between the 4th and 5th hour. Then the PM break must be taken before the end of the 8th hour.

    Where I'm from, this causes many problems for UPS. First, they stuff these 100% industrial routes with too much work. Then they inform the driver he sucks and needs to improve his SPORH. This is on a route in which the driver does the right thing by his customers and delivers all the packages and takes the bulk of his lunch at the end of the night.

    In this hypothetical situation he doesn't mind taking 20 minutes in the middle of the day to eat and 1 hour after pick-ups are over. It becomes a problem when the center decides you're not working hard enough(is it possible???). The 3-day OJS comes and per the contract/union rules during an OJS, lunch must be taken before 1330. Pick-ups start at 1500 and we're sitting on 15 stops and 40 pieces. Half of these can probably be delivered in the .5 hours after lunch and before pick-ups. What is to be done with the other half?

    They are either missed (not going to happen) or some poor purely residential driver is going to come and take the work. Its logic like this that leaves me wondering how our great company makes any money. It all stems from the greed of upper management in its hope that many drivers will give up their lunch.

    Instead of a company of 80,000 drivers, lets imagine a business with 5 drivers, 5 trucks, and 5 fuel tanks to be filled. I'm the manager for this 5 truck business. My drivers are allowed up to 1 hour of lunch everyday. Driver A calls me and tells me he needs to work 30 minutes into his lunch hour to finish his deliveries. If I come from UPS, the protocol would to have driver B drive many miles and take the work from driver A just so driver A can sit for another 30 minutes twidling his thumbs. We just wasted fuel, labor, and efficiency to satisfy the "almighty lunch hour".

    If I owned this company this manager would be fired ASAP! My instructions as manager would be to pay driver A the extra 30 minutes out of his lunch hour rather than wasting the fuel and labor of driver B to do the work that driver A can do just as easily and with less friction. Doesn't this make the most sense?

    Why does UPS run its business like this? The only logical explanation I can conjure is that they save more money from the lunch runners than whats wasted in the labor transfer of drivers who actually demand their rightfully earned pay.

    Where is UPS' ethics on this issue? I'm never told from the center team to take all lunch and breaks. I'm just told to "record 1hour and 20 minutes of lunch and breaks in the DIAD". Why? Because UPS doesn't care if you take them or not, just as long as you record them.

    They know some people will give up personel time to get home to see their family. UPS is preying on these people to obtain free labor. Where is the company's ethics, I ask again?

    I'm required to enter 1 hour of lunch in the DIAD everyday. If I only take 53 minutes and record as such I'm disiplined. Why? What other company do you know that does this? If you only take 53 minutes, why would UPS actually care that they doc'ed you for 53 minutes and not the hour that they want to?

    The only thing I can think of is they want people to run the entire hour or only take 15-20 minutes and enter the entire hour, thus gaining 40 minutes in free labor.

    Can you believe UPS is allowed to get away from this????

    Slavery and Free labor ceased to exist in this country more than a century ago. Somehow, UPS has learned how to exploit free labor right here in the 21st century!

    Here's to you UPS!

  14. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    9.5 is not an issue here. This driver doesnt file. I've gone to pick up his Air to bring it in because the Air trailer pulls at 7:20. It was taking him 11 hours to run a 9 hour day. Now he runs a 9 hour day in a little over 9. Nobody goes over 9.5 is a blanket statement that is wrong.
  15. Six Sides

    Six Sides Member

    Take away the O and you have SPHR for all you HR fans.
  16. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

  17. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    Very well said Brownie. Bravo.
    It's a win/win for the company and a lose/lose for the driver. Not only are you not getting paid for every hour that you work, you run the risk of being disciplined for something that you may not deserve to be disciplined for.

    Let's throw another scenario in here shall we Brownie.

    Let's say driver A has entered a lunch break from 1300 - 1400. Let's say driver A worked during that time and was injured while in the service of the company. Lets say driver A broke his/her ankle. In the rush of trying to get to the hosp. or doctor the driver did not remove the lunch time from the diad. It later comes to light that the driver was actually supposed to be at lunch during the time that the injury occured. Is anyone following where I am going with this? The odds of something like this actually occuring are slim but it IS a possibility. As a driver, how much are you willing to risk for your job?
  18. MobileBA

    MobileBA Member

    NM contract is clear: A fair day's work for a fair day's pay. SPHOR is only a number, and with good notes and a good lawyer you can pad your retirement with cash courtesy of buster browns harrassement. If you think your in the throngs of an absurd work enviroment get a lawyer on retainer. The lawyer will advise you and guide you.
  19. Six Sides

    Six Sides Member

    It's SPHR google it, the people that have this are the power of UPS
  20. p228

    p228 Member

    The problem with lunch breaks is that UPS is trying to adapt it so it is legal in every state, and it would be, if everyone actually took a lunch. But sometimes, that just isn't realistic.

    Despite popular belief, there is no federal law that requires employers offer a lunch break at all. http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/workhours/breaks.htm

    The requirement comes in on the state level but each state has differing laws. For example, no lunch is required in PA but in DE one must take a 1/2 hour lunch after the first two hours and before the last two. It seems the one hour require comes from New York's law for factory workers.

    Here is a list of the states that require a break: http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/meal.htm

    From the Dept of Labor website:
    Source: http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs22.pdf

    By ignoring the fact that employees are working through their lunch breaks the company is actually violating federal law by failing to compensate employees for it. The company is no doubt saving a good bit of money when people skip their lunch but turning a blind eye to federal labor law violations could prove very costly in the long run.