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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1224530" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Island, two points.</p><p></p><p></p><p>1) "EVERY local union --Dec or Jan---How is it cleared ?? Who gets the money ?? Who cuts the deal ??"</p><p></p><p>This is a real scenario. At the end of the year, deals "are" cut on grievances. The company labor and union officers sit down and review all cases to clear the books for the new year. Deals like .50 cents on the dollar for payable greivances are settled. Some are agreed to be tossed out. The company will present the cases its "dug in on" and will carry over for next year arbitration and such.</p><p></p><p>This happens in EVERY LOCAL, and there are no exceptions. Its the dirty little secret in Union negotiating. Literally, dozens of greivances are never heard, yet represented to the membership as if they were, and the explanation that the cases were "settled" for a reduced amount. This satisfies the company and the union gets to pretend its doing its job.</p><p></p><p>For those cases that are "dug in", they will eventually find an end in arbitration. In the world of negotiating, this is "the figured in part".</p><p></p><p></p><p>2) "But of course --those people with Engineering degrees are just nerds and could never understand the complexities of work measurement."</p><p></p><p>The degree and schooling is impressive on paper, but there is one thing that separates the driver from the engineer that gives the advantage to the driver, PRACTICAL WORKING EXPERIENCE. This is something IE people DONT have.</p><p></p><p>There are too many variables to the delivery process for the engineer to understand. The job of delivering and picking up packages isnt as easy to calculate as you think. Delivering of packages isnt the simple street to street process that it used to be. </p><p></p><p>Now there are "factored" interferences to the delivery process. Now, I can be in one area and forced to leave that area (undone) to make a scheduled residential delivery 5 miles away because of UPS MY CHOICE.</p><p></p><p>Businesses and schools have priority, so hoping around area to area making commit times isnt something the IE geek can calculate. The engineer cannot experience the practical side of delivery without never doing the job themselves in todays delivery environment.</p><p></p><p>That gives me the advantage.</p><p></p><p>I know the streets, the corners, the driveways, the businesses, the operations, the needs and commits of my area. This is something the driver will always have the advantage on.</p><p></p><p>The "experts" have only created more trouble and reduced "service" for the customers. Service failures, is something that we didnt experience years ago. Today, 4 to 5 off areas everyday per car, pickups missed because cars dont have the cube space available to fit anything more, fewer cars on the road and managers and supervisors without the knowledge of the job they are managing.</p><p></p><p>One of the biggest problems with UPS thinking is the very thought you expressed.</p><p></p><p>"You still do the same job as all of us through the decades: Pick-Up and Deliver Packages.."~island</p><p></p><p>Not true. Now, its managing "errors" and re-engineering the workday.</p><p></p><p>Its complicated today.</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1224530, member: 17969"] Island, two points. 1) "EVERY local union --Dec or Jan---How is it cleared ?? Who gets the money ?? Who cuts the deal ??" This is a real scenario. At the end of the year, deals "are" cut on grievances. The company labor and union officers sit down and review all cases to clear the books for the new year. Deals like .50 cents on the dollar for payable greivances are settled. Some are agreed to be tossed out. The company will present the cases its "dug in on" and will carry over for next year arbitration and such. This happens in EVERY LOCAL, and there are no exceptions. Its the dirty little secret in Union negotiating. Literally, dozens of greivances are never heard, yet represented to the membership as if they were, and the explanation that the cases were "settled" for a reduced amount. This satisfies the company and the union gets to pretend its doing its job. For those cases that are "dug in", they will eventually find an end in arbitration. In the world of negotiating, this is "the figured in part". 2) "But of course --those people with Engineering degrees are just nerds and could never understand the complexities of work measurement." The degree and schooling is impressive on paper, but there is one thing that separates the driver from the engineer that gives the advantage to the driver, PRACTICAL WORKING EXPERIENCE. This is something IE people DONT have. There are too many variables to the delivery process for the engineer to understand. The job of delivering and picking up packages isnt as easy to calculate as you think. Delivering of packages isnt the simple street to street process that it used to be. Now there are "factored" interferences to the delivery process. Now, I can be in one area and forced to leave that area (undone) to make a scheduled residential delivery 5 miles away because of UPS MY CHOICE. Businesses and schools have priority, so hoping around area to area making commit times isnt something the IE geek can calculate. The engineer cannot experience the practical side of delivery without never doing the job themselves in todays delivery environment. That gives me the advantage. I know the streets, the corners, the driveways, the businesses, the operations, the needs and commits of my area. This is something the driver will always have the advantage on. The "experts" have only created more trouble and reduced "service" for the customers. Service failures, is something that we didnt experience years ago. Today, 4 to 5 off areas everyday per car, pickups missed because cars dont have the cube space available to fit anything more, fewer cars on the road and managers and supervisors without the knowledge of the job they are managing. One of the biggest problems with UPS thinking is the very thought you expressed. "You still do the same job as all of us through the decades: Pick-Up and Deliver Packages.."~island Not true. Now, its managing "errors" and re-engineering the workday. Its complicated today. TOS [/QUOTE]
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