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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 288864" data-attributes="member: 8259"><p>I never endorsed mixing church and state. But I do believe we should be allowed religious freedom. If some kid wants to say a prayer before a test I have no problem with it. I see the problem is that my federal tax money is going to schools. I believe strongly in personal freedoms. I see people that want to tell someone they cannot have a Christmas party at school as someone who wants to take away liberty. I see someone who believes that it is OK to stop a school from allowing a minister to say a prayer at a graduation ceremony as a person that is willing to give up my freedom. To me the ACLU in their zeal to eliminate all things religious from government as not wanting to allow people the opportunity to pray, read their scripture, celebrate Christmas voluntarily. To me when you celebrate the government taking away these freedoms from its citizens you are not much different than a government that has a state church which forces its beliefs on you. Why do they not take this same energy and defend the second amendment? When you read the Supreme Court decisions about separation of church they for the most part are on very narrow points. I still say it is not as clear as you want or hope for. I am not a religious guy but it is so silly to me when I listen to people want to take away the rights of others to be religious. Anyway I have no desire to enter into an argument on religion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 288864, member: 8259"] I never endorsed mixing church and state. But I do believe we should be allowed religious freedom. If some kid wants to say a prayer before a test I have no problem with it. I see the problem is that my federal tax money is going to schools. I believe strongly in personal freedoms. I see people that want to tell someone they cannot have a Christmas party at school as someone who wants to take away liberty. I see someone who believes that it is OK to stop a school from allowing a minister to say a prayer at a graduation ceremony as a person that is willing to give up my freedom. To me the ACLU in their zeal to eliminate all things religious from government as not wanting to allow people the opportunity to pray, read their scripture, celebrate Christmas voluntarily. To me when you celebrate the government taking away these freedoms from its citizens you are not much different than a government that has a state church which forces its beliefs on you. Why do they not take this same energy and defend the second amendment? When you read the Supreme Court decisions about separation of church they for the most part are on very narrow points. I still say it is not as clear as you want or hope for. I am not a religious guy but it is so silly to me when I listen to people want to take away the rights of others to be religious. Anyway I have no desire to enter into an argument on religion. [/QUOTE]
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