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<blockquote data-quote="pretzel_man" data-source="post: 770399" data-attributes="member: 927"><p>When the financial portion of the contract is worked out, it is seen as a package. UPS determines the total amount of money that it is willing to pay in a contract. The finances are seen as a whole pie and UPS and the Teamsters negotiate the final numbers. In one of Jim Casey's speeches he talks about this. </p><p> </p><p>That total pie is divided up into full time wages, part time wages, pension, etc., and I believe the Teamsters have control as to how to divide the pie (I do not know the mechanics of this).</p><p> </p><p>I think that the total % of UPS revenue paid to wages and benefits has been about 65% to 69% for a long time. So, if part time wages increase (as I believe they should), the money will come from somewhere. Some other part of that pie will decrease. That has been the process from the beginning. </p><p> </p><p>I do think UPS screwed up when it allowed part time wages to be so low. I remember when that happened and the reasons we were told. When they did that, it allowed the part of the pie for full time employees to grow and that's where we are today. </p><p> </p><p>I think it somewhat disingenuous to thank the Teamsters for great full time wages and blame UPS for the part time wages. They are both negotiated in the same contract by the same people. You can't take credit for one and pass blame for the other. Both sides got us here.</p><p> </p><p>As far as the concept of a minimum goes, that seems silly to me.... The position seems to be that if conditions change, UPS can pay more. What if conditions worsen, can UPS pay less? Of course not... In the worst financial crisis of our lifetime, many here complained about the loss of a turkey and safety awards which were not part of the contract. </p><p> </p><p>P-Man</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pretzel_man, post: 770399, member: 927"] When the financial portion of the contract is worked out, it is seen as a package. UPS determines the total amount of money that it is willing to pay in a contract. The finances are seen as a whole pie and UPS and the Teamsters negotiate the final numbers. In one of Jim Casey's speeches he talks about this. That total pie is divided up into full time wages, part time wages, pension, etc., and I believe the Teamsters have control as to how to divide the pie (I do not know the mechanics of this). I think that the total % of UPS revenue paid to wages and benefits has been about 65% to 69% for a long time. So, if part time wages increase (as I believe they should), the money will come from somewhere. Some other part of that pie will decrease. That has been the process from the beginning. I do think UPS screwed up when it allowed part time wages to be so low. I remember when that happened and the reasons we were told. When they did that, it allowed the part of the pie for full time employees to grow and that's where we are today. I think it somewhat disingenuous to thank the Teamsters for great full time wages and blame UPS for the part time wages. They are both negotiated in the same contract by the same people. You can't take credit for one and pass blame for the other. Both sides got us here. As far as the concept of a minimum goes, that seems silly to me.... The position seems to be that if conditions change, UPS can pay more. What if conditions worsen, can UPS pay less? Of course not... In the worst financial crisis of our lifetime, many here complained about the loss of a turkey and safety awards which were not part of the contract. P-Man [/QUOTE]
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