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<blockquote data-quote="oldrps" data-source="post: 4740679" data-attributes="member: 36765"><p><em>However, we made it clear to them that nothing in that worthless piece of paper they were signing as totally one side as it was, was binding upon Ground and prepare to be lied to....a lot. We did everything we could to help them but none of them lasted long. I asked them why they were leaving and it was the same answer.... " I was lied to".</em></p><p></p><p>What were the lies, please explain it to everyone so we all understand.</p><p></p><p><em>The areas they were assigned to were not the areas they were told they would be assigned. The workday they were told would be 8 hours long ended up 12 hours. </em></p><p></p><p>As long as I was at RPS, areas were always defined in the agreement, was this before the changes in the early 90's? </p><p></p><p><em>The money they were told they would make was in fact the money they made. Only problem was what they were told they would make was what they would GROSS not what their pretax net would be.</em></p><p></p><p>Am I not understanding this statement, they told you how much you would make, but you did not know that businesses have to pay taxes? How could RPS/Ground or anyone possibly know what you would net be, that is impossible. </p><p></p><p><em>And yes the subtle changes that were made over the years were not undertaken voluntarily and were for the most part changed little as far as a true lessening of command and control. The control has actually increased due to being required to get to a higher scale which in turn requires placing even more unsecured money at risk. All you have for certain are a bunch of panel vans and cutaways for which there is little to no alternative uses. Not like leasing on road tractors for which there is a multitude of carriers to haul for. Not so for local P&D's . The result of which is that they are trapped in one market and one customer. And they're only hope is that somebody will come in and get them out from under the trappings they found themselves in. </em></p><p></p><p>What do you mean "unsecured money"? What is secured money? Please explain this for others who may not know, don't assume everyone knows these statements who read these boards.</p><p></p><p>Why did you keep signing the agreement knowing what you knew, what kept you there? I could understand if you signed the agreement and it wasn't what you thought and left after a few years, but didn't you do it for 20 years or so.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that potential contractors need to be educated before they sign. Give details instead of vague comments. Remember that what happened 10 - 20 years ago may not apply to the agreement they sign today and let them know that when you comment on the board that this happened many years ago, but things have changed and may no longer apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oldrps, post: 4740679, member: 36765"] [I]However, we made it clear to them that nothing in that worthless piece of paper they were signing as totally one side as it was, was binding upon Ground and prepare to be lied to....a lot. We did everything we could to help them but none of them lasted long. I asked them why they were leaving and it was the same answer.... " I was lied to".[/I] What were the lies, please explain it to everyone so we all understand. [I]The areas they were assigned to were not the areas they were told they would be assigned. The workday they were told would be 8 hours long ended up 12 hours. [/I] As long as I was at RPS, areas were always defined in the agreement, was this before the changes in the early 90's? [I]The money they were told they would make was in fact the money they made. Only problem was what they were told they would make was what they would GROSS not what their pretax net would be.[/I] Am I not understanding this statement, they told you how much you would make, but you did not know that businesses have to pay taxes? How could RPS/Ground or anyone possibly know what you would net be, that is impossible. [I]And yes the subtle changes that were made over the years were not undertaken voluntarily and were for the most part changed little as far as a true lessening of command and control. The control has actually increased due to being required to get to a higher scale which in turn requires placing even more unsecured money at risk. All you have for certain are a bunch of panel vans and cutaways for which there is little to no alternative uses. Not like leasing on road tractors for which there is a multitude of carriers to haul for. Not so for local P&D's . The result of which is that they are trapped in one market and one customer. And they're only hope is that somebody will come in and get them out from under the trappings they found themselves in. [/I] What do you mean "unsecured money"? What is secured money? Please explain this for others who may not know, don't assume everyone knows these statements who read these boards. Why did you keep signing the agreement knowing what you knew, what kept you there? I could understand if you signed the agreement and it wasn't what you thought and left after a few years, but didn't you do it for 20 years or so. I do agree that potential contractors need to be educated before they sign. Give details instead of vague comments. Remember that what happened 10 - 20 years ago may not apply to the agreement they sign today and let them know that when you comment on the board that this happened many years ago, but things have changed and may no longer apply. [/QUOTE]
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