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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 73849" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>You and tie have used the term evil regarding UPS, repeatedly in trying to tie it to my conversations regarding the company.</p><p></p><p>I find that irritating.</p><p></p><p>I NEVER use the term evil regarding UPS.</p><p></p><p>That is so over the top in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>I do not consider UPS evil.</p><p></p><p>Just a really efficient corporations with all the downsides that that incorporates (pun intended) towards the workers as well as the upsides.</p><p></p><p>So if you wish to use continue to use the word evil in relationship to UPS in the future realize that it is <u>you</u> using it.</p><p></p><p>I'd suggest not using it, but it's just a suggestion.</p><p></p><p>As far as who is at fault.</p><p></p><p>I believe it's the Teamsters and UPS.</p><p></p><p>Not just the Teamsters, not just UPS.</p><p></p><p>The Teamsters and UPS.</p><p></p><p>For some reason several here get upset when something is said about UPS that isn't wine and roses.</p><p></p><p>I give UPS credit for the acumen to know what is needed to adequately fund our retirement and how (and the partial blame for not taking care of this).</p><p></p><p>I would like to give the Teamsters the same credit of acumen, but I am less than impressed with them on the whole.</p><p></p><p>That does not release them from the blame though.</p><p></p><p>I do also blame myself (we, the workers) for not investigating this thoroughly from the beginning and demanding more accountability of both our company and our union for their promises over the decades regarding the pension.</p><p></p><p>We just blindly assumed they knew what they were doing and promising and figured they'd take care of it and us.</p><p></p><p>It appears we were assuming wrongly.</p><p></p><p>As for the bush quote, I just thought it was nice that a very pro-business president was stating publicly that many companies were underfunding pensions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 73849, member: 1356"] You and tie have used the term evil regarding UPS, repeatedly in trying to tie it to my conversations regarding the company. I find that irritating. I NEVER use the term evil regarding UPS. That is so over the top in my opinion. I do not consider UPS evil. Just a really efficient corporations with all the downsides that that incorporates (pun intended) towards the workers as well as the upsides. So if you wish to use continue to use the word evil in relationship to UPS in the future realize that it is [U]you[/U] using it. I'd suggest not using it, but it's just a suggestion. As far as who is at fault. I believe it's the Teamsters and UPS. Not just the Teamsters, not just UPS. The Teamsters and UPS. For some reason several here get upset when something is said about UPS that isn't wine and roses. I give UPS credit for the acumen to know what is needed to adequately fund our retirement and how (and the partial blame for not taking care of this). I would like to give the Teamsters the same credit of acumen, but I am less than impressed with them on the whole. That does not release them from the blame though. I do also blame myself (we, the workers) for not investigating this thoroughly from the beginning and demanding more accountability of both our company and our union for their promises over the decades regarding the pension. We just blindly assumed they knew what they were doing and promising and figured they'd take care of it and us. It appears we were assuming wrongly. As for the bush quote, I just thought it was nice that a very pro-business president was stating publicly that many companies were underfunding pensions. [/QUOTE]
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