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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 4979884" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Leaving and surrendering aren't always the same.  Leaving with honor means removing all of our citizens and our allies who assisted us.  Leave no one behind.  Don't aid the enemy by leaving him equipment.  Surrendering means being beaten so thoroughly on the battlefield we sue for peace rather than taking any more.  We can watch from afar and monitor comings and goings.  We can intercept communications.  We don't have to be in Afghanistan to do this.  What you're wanting is for us to send in masses of troops and kill every last jihadist.  Should have been done a long time ago.  There's no political will to do it now.  After the bombs yesterday if we manage to get our people out we should bomb every strategic site in the country including our stashes of equipment.  Probably not going to happen.</p></blockquote><p></p>