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<blockquote data-quote="BrownBrokeDown" data-source="post: 2159681" data-attributes="member: 46824"><p>I have been hammered by both sides and will be again for this. I sit where in the middle like oldupsman. In no way do i believe that zuckerman is the answer, as i've said change for just to be changing isnt always good. But at this point Hoffa doesn't seem to be the answer either. BUG i have great respect for you also, your view points and conviction behind them remind me of my grandfather in many ways. He was a teamster from the late 50's through the early 80's. I got to see growing up what the teamsters did for him. </p><p></p><p>But this is a different era, i realize. Just because it is a different era, doesn't mean we have to go all in on the givebacks. Sorry but H&H failed on the retirees healthcare this last contract. No excuse, the company's profits don't equal the increased pay for them. Well, its a negotiation right? So we gave 4 yr progression for drivers, not increasing healthcare contribution high enough where the retirees are screwed, slightly better pay progression during the first 3 years of progression but the added 4th year negates the benefit. PTers got better starting pay and progression pay, but its still behind where it should have been since there was roughly 20 years with no change. What did we get out of it? Oh i imagine that UPS came to the table with some ridiculous demands. I even imagine that they probably came to the table demanding a tiered wage on drivers. But, imo, we gave up way to much for a company making this kind of money.</p><p></p><p>which takes us to a strike. Different day and age. A large majority of the public would not have rallied around us this time. We would have lost customers But without the ability to make a convincing threat of a strike, what leverage do we actually have?</p><p></p><p>In many ways, due to todays political climate unions period are in a tough spot for negotiations. Old was right. We need someone with fire in his belly (cough cough like you BUG). I was seriously hoping O'brian was going to run for top office...</p><p></p><p>Last note before i end the rambling that alone will probably get me crucified. The intimidation <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" /> has got to stop we are all in this together both sides are doing it. Im referring to O'brian, zuckerman, zuckermans people, and many other irl not on the message boards. On the message boards, rather than namecalling each other and the candidates, we should be working together to come up with a solution. TDU needs to disappear but when so many are unhappy, some will turn to anyone to help.</p><p></p><p>my 236 cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownBrokeDown, post: 2159681, member: 46824"] I have been hammered by both sides and will be again for this. I sit where in the middle like oldupsman. In no way do i believe that zuckerman is the answer, as i've said change for just to be changing isnt always good. But at this point Hoffa doesn't seem to be the answer either. BUG i have great respect for you also, your view points and conviction behind them remind me of my grandfather in many ways. He was a teamster from the late 50's through the early 80's. I got to see growing up what the teamsters did for him. But this is a different era, i realize. Just because it is a different era, doesn't mean we have to go all in on the givebacks. Sorry but H&H failed on the retirees healthcare this last contract. No excuse, the company's profits don't equal the increased pay for them. Well, its a negotiation right? So we gave 4 yr progression for drivers, not increasing healthcare contribution high enough where the retirees are screwed, slightly better pay progression during the first 3 years of progression but the added 4th year negates the benefit. PTers got better starting pay and progression pay, but its still behind where it should have been since there was roughly 20 years with no change. What did we get out of it? Oh i imagine that UPS came to the table with some ridiculous demands. I even imagine that they probably came to the table demanding a tiered wage on drivers. But, imo, we gave up way to much for a company making this kind of money. which takes us to a strike. Different day and age. A large majority of the public would not have rallied around us this time. We would have lost customers But without the ability to make a convincing threat of a strike, what leverage do we actually have? In many ways, due to todays political climate unions period are in a tough spot for negotiations. Old was right. We need someone with fire in his belly (cough cough like you BUG). I was seriously hoping O'brian was going to run for top office... Last note before i end the rambling that alone will probably get me crucified. The intimidation :censored: has got to stop we are all in this together both sides are doing it. Im referring to O'brian, zuckerman, zuckermans people, and many other irl not on the message boards. On the message boards, rather than namecalling each other and the candidates, we should be working together to come up with a solution. TDU needs to disappear but when so many are unhappy, some will turn to anyone to help. my 236 cents. [/QUOTE]
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