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<blockquote data-quote="refineryworker05" data-source="post: 4709388" data-attributes="member: 66082">Yeah people hate change even if they don&#039;t like what they currently have.&nbsp; I remember we had this terrible 8hr shift at the refinery where I work.&nbsp; It was terrible.&nbsp; you got one weekend off a month, you worked 6 days in a row with no overtime pay.&nbsp; There was a lot of hatred of that schedule, and yet going to a different schedule was incredibly difficult for our union because of that fear that well this new schedule could be worse, and I have to admit I was worried about the new schedule being worse as well.&nbsp; I worked there 11 years before the company forced the union to change it by implementing an even worse 8hr plus 4hr schedule update, that terrible schedule was enough to finally get movement to change.In terms of public education and job training I agree, but looking at the numbers the US governments(federal, state, local, city) already employs 10&#039;s of millions of people, various government activities probably contribute to the employment of 10&#039;s of millions of other Americans working for &quot;private companies&quot;, I don&#039;t see why the government couldn&#039;t just give a job to anyone that wanted to work.&nbsp; It would be a few million more workers but not some huge change to what already exists.&nbsp; Then no one would get left behind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="refineryworker05, post: 4709388, member: 66082"] Yeah people hate change even if they don't like what they currently have. I remember we had this terrible 8hr shift at the refinery where I work. It was terrible. you got one weekend off a month, you worked 6 days in a row with no overtime pay. There was a lot of hatred of that schedule, and yet going to a different schedule was incredibly difficult for our union because of that fear that well this new schedule could be worse, and I have to admit I was worried about the new schedule being worse as well. I worked there 11 years before the company forced the union to change it by implementing an even worse 8hr plus 4hr schedule update, that terrible schedule was enough to finally get movement to change. In terms of public education and job training I agree, but looking at the numbers the US governments(federal, state, local, city) already employs 10's of millions of people, various government activities probably contribute to the employment of 10's of millions of other Americans working for "private companies", I don't see why the government couldn't just give a job to anyone that wanted to work. It would be a few million more workers but not some huge change to what already exists. Then no one would get left behind. [/QUOTE]

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