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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 776730" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>The Axelrod/Face the Nation vid is now a dead link and who got YouTube to kill it is debate fodder for sure, although not worth the time IMO. As for "Thinking Progress" posting this information, I applaud them and consider these details important to good transparency. I don't think C of C was ever what one might call hiding anything as D rightly points out this info is public but foreign corporations becoming members of an organization in what is in truth an enabler of welfare to persons (a corporation is a person even per SCOTUS) should really come as no real surprise either when you consider how global business and global capitalism really works. </p><p> </p><p>And let's not forget, it's is foreign nations who are in truth keeping us alive right now economically as they purchase our ever increasing debt. Just like the note holder on home loans or even cars, they can set demands and terms you must adhere to and sometimes the loan conditions might change and again you have to comply or answer the call to immediately pay off the note if you don't want to comply with the new terms. We are not in that position so it does make sense that foreign interests that hold our debt are using the leverage to their benefit.</p><p> </p><p>I don't think this info is anything new nor even surprising to someone like David Axelrod, (hell he knows the deal) it's just a mechanism to exploit for political benefit and purpose of the mass public that are nothing more to them than a bunch of leemings. Bothsides do it and very often when info is floated out to the public, the whole thing is like a flea-flicker play in football where you make the otherside go in one direction while your real intent is to go eslewhere or you are protecting elsewhere. After several series of downs, the idea is to move the filed position to your advantage so you know have a shot at the endzone. To us leemings it's like Criss Angel using illusion to make you see what you think (and most often wanna) see. </p><p> </p><p>Democrats say the repubs. are in the pockets of foreign interests while the repubs. are using the same info in making the case that democrats are liars. Both are actually right but not in a way either want you to think and it points again to the brillance of H.L.Mencken who said, "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule and both commonly succeed, and are right." Change issues and the roles reverse. It's like listening to a couple of whores making the case that they can give you the better sex but neither tells you both are infected with every sexual disease known to mankind and in the end the sex isn't that good and you are left with the knowledge you are just going to die from the experience!</p><p> </p><p>Earlier this year, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Richman" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Sheldon Richman</span></a>, longtime editor of <a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">The Freeman</span></a> magazine, (house mag. for FEE, Foundation for Economic Education) and senior fellow at <a href="http://www.fff.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Future of Freedom Foundation</span></a> wrote a 2 part piece scratching the surface of a growing debate about Capitalism, it's history and it's realtionship to the Laissez Faire traditions of what is called the Free Market. Once one begins to dig into history a bit and understand things from it's roots minus the the system spin we get daily in mega doses by the political players involved.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1005b.asp" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Capitalism and the Free Market Part 1</span></a></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1006b.asp" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Capitalism and the Free Market Part 2</span></a></p><p> </p><p>When one understands that capitalism and what is called socialism are not opponents of one another, that globally capitalism works and operates within a type socialist framework across the planet, that mega capitalist George Soros who many point as some super socialist is the norm not the exception, that the so-called super rightwing, mega billionaire Koch brothers can fund the Cato Insitute, the Tea Party and the Democrat Leadership Council all at the same time with no conflict (at least in their minds), that the so-called capitalist Chamber of Commerce can fund the capitalist republican party as easy as it funds the socialist democrat party and never bat an eye, then in truth you will begin to understand that capitalism and socialism are actually partners, that capitalism can't exist without State intervention or what some might rightly call socialism. </p><p> </p><p>Maybe the problem is that we are the ones who don't understand capitalism and socialism. And speaking of socialism, in the 19th century context, socialists like Pierre Joseph Proudhon and Benjamin Tucker although considered socialist were also fiercely anti-state but also considered individualists and free market. Many of Proudhon's mutualist offspring and Tucker's Anarchist offspring today are fiercely anti-capitalist and yet fiercely anti-state and fiercely free market in the french Laissez-Faire traditions. The anti capitialism is based off the viewpoint that capitalism is the enabler of choice of state socialism and vica versa and that POV has lots of solid historical evidence to back that belief up, American economic history being one.</p><p> </p><p>The wizard behind the curtain is no wizard indeed!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 776730, member: 2189"] The Axelrod/Face the Nation vid is now a dead link and who got YouTube to kill it is debate fodder for sure, although not worth the time IMO. As for "Thinking Progress" posting this information, I applaud them and consider these details important to good transparency. I don't think C of C was ever what one might call hiding anything as D rightly points out this info is public but foreign corporations becoming members of an organization in what is in truth an enabler of welfare to persons (a corporation is a person even per SCOTUS) should really come as no real surprise either when you consider how global business and global capitalism really works. And let's not forget, it's is foreign nations who are in truth keeping us alive right now economically as they purchase our ever increasing debt. Just like the note holder on home loans or even cars, they can set demands and terms you must adhere to and sometimes the loan conditions might change and again you have to comply or answer the call to immediately pay off the note if you don't want to comply with the new terms. We are not in that position so it does make sense that foreign interests that hold our debt are using the leverage to their benefit. I don't think this info is anything new nor even surprising to someone like David Axelrod, (hell he knows the deal) it's just a mechanism to exploit for political benefit and purpose of the mass public that are nothing more to them than a bunch of leemings. Bothsides do it and very often when info is floated out to the public, the whole thing is like a flea-flicker play in football where you make the otherside go in one direction while your real intent is to go eslewhere or you are protecting elsewhere. After several series of downs, the idea is to move the filed position to your advantage so you know have a shot at the endzone. To us leemings it's like Criss Angel using illusion to make you see what you think (and most often wanna) see. Democrats say the repubs. are in the pockets of foreign interests while the repubs. are using the same info in making the case that democrats are liars. Both are actually right but not in a way either want you to think and it points again to the brillance of H.L.Mencken who said, "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule and both commonly succeed, and are right." Change issues and the roles reverse. It's like listening to a couple of whores making the case that they can give you the better sex but neither tells you both are infected with every sexual disease known to mankind and in the end the sex isn't that good and you are left with the knowledge you are just going to die from the experience! Earlier this year, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Richman"][COLOR=red]Sheldon Richman[/COLOR][/URL], longtime editor of [URL="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/"][COLOR=red]The Freeman[/COLOR][/URL] magazine, (house mag. for FEE, Foundation for Economic Education) and senior fellow at [URL="http://www.fff.org/"][COLOR=red]Future of Freedom Foundation[/COLOR][/URL] wrote a 2 part piece scratching the surface of a growing debate about Capitalism, it's history and it's realtionship to the Laissez Faire traditions of what is called the Free Market. Once one begins to dig into history a bit and understand things from it's roots minus the the system spin we get daily in mega doses by the political players involved. [URL="http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1005b.asp"][COLOR=red]Capitalism and the Free Market Part 1[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1006b.asp"][COLOR=red]Capitalism and the Free Market Part 2[/COLOR][/URL] When one understands that capitalism and what is called socialism are not opponents of one another, that globally capitalism works and operates within a type socialist framework across the planet, that mega capitalist George Soros who many point as some super socialist is the norm not the exception, that the so-called super rightwing, mega billionaire Koch brothers can fund the Cato Insitute, the Tea Party and the Democrat Leadership Council all at the same time with no conflict (at least in their minds), that the so-called capitalist Chamber of Commerce can fund the capitalist republican party as easy as it funds the socialist democrat party and never bat an eye, then in truth you will begin to understand that capitalism and socialism are actually partners, that capitalism can't exist without State intervention or what some might rightly call socialism. Maybe the problem is that we are the ones who don't understand capitalism and socialism. And speaking of socialism, in the 19th century context, socialists like Pierre Joseph Proudhon and Benjamin Tucker although considered socialist were also fiercely anti-state but also considered individualists and free market. Many of Proudhon's mutualist offspring and Tucker's Anarchist offspring today are fiercely anti-capitalist and yet fiercely anti-state and fiercely free market in the french Laissez-Faire traditions. The anti capitialism is based off the viewpoint that capitalism is the enabler of choice of state socialism and vica versa and that POV has lots of solid historical evidence to back that belief up, American economic history being one. The wizard behind the curtain is no wizard indeed! [/QUOTE]
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