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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 337074" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>D,</p><p> </p><p>What shocks me is the fact that the republican nominee is McCain who really isn't a republican anyway and because of much of what has happened in the last 8 years, it seemed an almost slam dunk for the democrats. No doubt they'll hold Congress and I suspect those numbers will grow. Under most normal years that might have held true but this year just leaves me scratching my head. I say this laughing but you know you hear people from time to time say that some nefarious party contrive the electoral process and that in the end we have no say or don't really get what we want so to speak. Looking at this current mess. I have to wonder if there isn't a bit of truth there. Only by some conspiracy could things be this screwy and our choices this bad!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>I mean our choices are these 3 clowns. A manical white guy who has IMO a Napoleanic complex, a 2 faced 8itch who will lie as much as she tells the truth and then a brother who sez he's anti war but his voting record makes one step back with great concern. The Wright deal? I honestly believe it's a pure symbiotic relationship from the beginning as Obama used Wright and his church for a base and local standing to establish his own creditials as he built his local political career.</p><p> </p><p>Now that Obama made the national stage, it was payback time to help Wright build his own national soapbox so to speak but Obama double crossed him. IMHO based on Wright's own words, I've concluded this whole thing was as much an alliance as Bill and Hillary's marriage is. </p><p> </p><p>If I were Osama Bin Laden and many others in the Mideast, I'd be LMAO at this whole exercise and what a useful tool to show brother islamist what idiots Americans really are. We don't need to withdraw from Iraq to proof to these guys we are nothing, we do that perfectly well by going to vote!</p><p> </p><p>As for the writers of these pieces being as you say "a little disingenuous". That's your POV obviously and in fairness I know you fashion yourself a democrat and thus were the roles reversed between us I too might feel the same. However Counterpunch is a well known and thought of website among independent thinking progressives of which some would call liberal. It surely ain't the favorite among any self respecting republican! LOL! </p><p> </p><p>Counterpunch has even made strong and I mean very strong stands on the side of labor in the unionist movement which I'm sure you would appreciate as well as on the environmental issue so it's not like the Obama pieces are coming from a "rightwing rag" if you will. Ironically, Obama has gotten some good press in such places as the libertarian website AntiWar.com and even the paleo-conservative magazine The American Conservative only because he's seen as President as someone who would roll back the spread of American Empire and as a non-interventionist of the founding fathers mold, I too have hopes but to much has been said now that raises my doubts about him. Like Paul on the GOP side, I believe Kuchinich was the "empire killer" on the democrat side and even though I strongly disagree on many economic fronts with Dennis, if there was no other place for my vote, I'd vote for Dennis because at this point I find nothing maleus about him and in this day and age that more than any other maybe the most important factor of all when entering that ballot box.</p><p> </p><p>As for Obama, I will give credit that he's forced the real Hillary Clinton to emerge and that's the global elitist and American Empire builder we knew she really was from her husband's years as she's declared she'd nuke Iran and she now wants to destroy OPEC although that last one I think is pure BS. I know to democrats, the Clinton years were proud moments as the Reagan years are to republicans but in the case of both men and their years in office, a lot of policy and law was set in place which will comeback to haunt us and our children IMO. </p><p> </p><p>A lot of new voters this year will enter the elective arena as in NC they saw a 170% increase in new registered voters (not the operation chaos party switchers). I think Rush's publicity game must be a nightmare for statasticians reading polling data because how do you read the data when you aren't sure how much is skewed by folks like Brett. I understand making the democrat fight go all the way to convention and I think it would regardless of Rush but where I do applaud folks like Brett is they are screwing up the pollsters and political wonks to no end and IMO that in itself is a great service. They can't count the numbers and transfer that to the general because they have no way of knowing how many of the voters are doing as Brett.</p><p> </p><p>Nice job Brett although I take it your ultimate aim is to elect McCain and I'll fight ya on that one. I'm sick and tired of this monopoly elective process where the arena of ideas is controlled so in that spirit I'm a pure anarchist and revolutionary and so want to overthrow the entire process. Anything that skews it and cause the voter to lose faith in the 2 party process I highly encourage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 337074, member: 2189"] D, What shocks me is the fact that the republican nominee is McCain who really isn't a republican anyway and because of much of what has happened in the last 8 years, it seemed an almost slam dunk for the democrats. No doubt they'll hold Congress and I suspect those numbers will grow. Under most normal years that might have held true but this year just leaves me scratching my head. I say this laughing but you know you hear people from time to time say that some nefarious party contrive the electoral process and that in the end we have no say or don't really get what we want so to speak. Looking at this current mess. I have to wonder if there isn't a bit of truth there. Only by some conspiracy could things be this screwy and our choices this bad! :happy-very: I mean our choices are these 3 clowns. A manical white guy who has IMO a Napoleanic complex, a 2 faced 8itch who will lie as much as she tells the truth and then a brother who sez he's anti war but his voting record makes one step back with great concern. The Wright deal? I honestly believe it's a pure symbiotic relationship from the beginning as Obama used Wright and his church for a base and local standing to establish his own creditials as he built his local political career. Now that Obama made the national stage, it was payback time to help Wright build his own national soapbox so to speak but Obama double crossed him. IMHO based on Wright's own words, I've concluded this whole thing was as much an alliance as Bill and Hillary's marriage is. If I were Osama Bin Laden and many others in the Mideast, I'd be LMAO at this whole exercise and what a useful tool to show brother islamist what idiots Americans really are. We don't need to withdraw from Iraq to proof to these guys we are nothing, we do that perfectly well by going to vote! As for the writers of these pieces being as you say "a little disingenuous". That's your POV obviously and in fairness I know you fashion yourself a democrat and thus were the roles reversed between us I too might feel the same. However Counterpunch is a well known and thought of website among independent thinking progressives of which some would call liberal. It surely ain't the favorite among any self respecting republican! LOL! Counterpunch has even made strong and I mean very strong stands on the side of labor in the unionist movement which I'm sure you would appreciate as well as on the environmental issue so it's not like the Obama pieces are coming from a "rightwing rag" if you will. Ironically, Obama has gotten some good press in such places as the libertarian website AntiWar.com and even the paleo-conservative magazine The American Conservative only because he's seen as President as someone who would roll back the spread of American Empire and as a non-interventionist of the founding fathers mold, I too have hopes but to much has been said now that raises my doubts about him. Like Paul on the GOP side, I believe Kuchinich was the "empire killer" on the democrat side and even though I strongly disagree on many economic fronts with Dennis, if there was no other place for my vote, I'd vote for Dennis because at this point I find nothing maleus about him and in this day and age that more than any other maybe the most important factor of all when entering that ballot box. As for Obama, I will give credit that he's forced the real Hillary Clinton to emerge and that's the global elitist and American Empire builder we knew she really was from her husband's years as she's declared she'd nuke Iran and she now wants to destroy OPEC although that last one I think is pure BS. I know to democrats, the Clinton years were proud moments as the Reagan years are to republicans but in the case of both men and their years in office, a lot of policy and law was set in place which will comeback to haunt us and our children IMO. A lot of new voters this year will enter the elective arena as in NC they saw a 170% increase in new registered voters (not the operation chaos party switchers). I think Rush's publicity game must be a nightmare for statasticians reading polling data because how do you read the data when you aren't sure how much is skewed by folks like Brett. I understand making the democrat fight go all the way to convention and I think it would regardless of Rush but where I do applaud folks like Brett is they are screwing up the pollsters and political wonks to no end and IMO that in itself is a great service. They can't count the numbers and transfer that to the general because they have no way of knowing how many of the voters are doing as Brett. Nice job Brett although I take it your ultimate aim is to elect McCain and I'll fight ya on that one. I'm sick and tired of this monopoly elective process where the arena of ideas is controlled so in that spirit I'm a pure anarchist and revolutionary and so want to overthrow the entire process. Anything that skews it and cause the voter to lose faith in the 2 party process I highly encourage. [/QUOTE]
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