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<blockquote data-quote="diesel96" data-source="post: 348831" data-attributes="member: 9859"><p>Lets make one thing perfectly clear Lifer, you attacked me <strong>first</strong> for a debate that occurred about a month ago out of the blue. You obviously are a little late and have not read thru this thread so why do I have to waste my time with you and repeat the the reasoning. So I'm just going to copy a previous statement for justification :</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Originally Posted by <strong>diesel96</strong></p><p><em>Lets face it, McCain IS running for president. People are under the impression that it's ok to question (D)John Kerry's military service but not (R)John McCain? Is there some kind of double standard here? Besides do we just disreguard these other Vietnam Veterans as chop liver who ARE the ones raising these issues about John McCain's heroic past thats being used in a presidential campaign to build up his canididacy. It is not I, using his heroic military record, but the GOP strategist and the right wing establishment as well as the media. The issue is not about downplaying his torture and suffering, he's admitted in his book that he gave limited intel to the enemy. The question is how much intel and why did he take the lead in 92' not to have any pow/mia documents release out of Vietnam? Are Americans not allowed to question a potential (R) presidential canidate who might sit in the most powerful office in the land and not know exactly happened during a 5/6 yr duration in captivity?</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I would love for the media and the DC beltway politcal process to stay on issues, but in Brown Cafe when I see GOP opinionated propaganda such as ToonerII's hijacking a debate and market their canidate as the rough and rugged Marlboro Man at the same time calling Obama supporters stupid, then McCain's record becomes an issue. GOP has been playing this game for years and it's been very effective, and now you call foul when more and more Democrats are finally growing a spine and putting a spin on the GOP methodology.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't have a problem with John McCain the Man, theres no doubt he commands respect as a person an anybody here would be called a liar for not doing what he did to stay alive. But you just can't dismiss reputable people(vets, family members,Senators) for raising questions on mia/pow's and wanting them answered with evidense but have been stoned walled by the gov't led by Sen McCain. If you want to call me a "trash talker" then your calling them "trash talkers" as well. When you come to the realitization and want to address those issues and those witnesses, then we'll talk. But this issue is dead until then. Glorify McCain the person all you want, but McCain "the politician" is fair game, I do have big time problems with his continuance of this administration's polices and his flip-floping of the issues. If you know the man as well as you say you do, you can't sit their and tell me with a straight face that John McCain of 2000 is the same man as 2008. Of course money is not a problem to Sen McCain and he's down to Earth, he only left his first wife who was ill and married a hieress of the Anhieser-Busch family.</p><p>I'm sorry for your Uncle but many families including mine were effected by Vietnam as well, and have current loved ones serving in the military as we speak. Call me a Liberal Democrat or sterotype me all you want, just remember to take a number while you wait in line.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="diesel96, post: 348831, member: 9859"] Lets make one thing perfectly clear Lifer, you attacked me [B]first[/B] for a debate that occurred about a month ago out of the blue. You obviously are a little late and have not read thru this thread so why do I have to waste my time with you and repeat the the reasoning. So I'm just going to copy a previous statement for justification : Quote: Originally Posted by [B]diesel96[/B] [I]Lets face it, McCain IS running for president. People are under the impression that it's ok to question (D)John Kerry's military service but not (R)John McCain? Is there some kind of double standard here? Besides do we just disreguard these other Vietnam Veterans as chop liver who ARE the ones raising these issues about John McCain's heroic past thats being used in a presidential campaign to build up his canididacy. It is not I, using his heroic military record, but the GOP strategist and the right wing establishment as well as the media. The issue is not about downplaying his torture and suffering, he's admitted in his book that he gave limited intel to the enemy. The question is how much intel and why did he take the lead in 92' not to have any pow/mia documents release out of Vietnam? Are Americans not allowed to question a potential (R) presidential canidate who might sit in the most powerful office in the land and not know exactly happened during a 5/6 yr duration in captivity? I would love for the media and the DC beltway politcal process to stay on issues, but in Brown Cafe when I see GOP opinionated propaganda such as ToonerII's hijacking a debate and market their canidate as the rough and rugged Marlboro Man at the same time calling Obama supporters stupid, then McCain's record becomes an issue. GOP has been playing this game for years and it's been very effective, and now you call foul when more and more Democrats are finally growing a spine and putting a spin on the GOP methodology.[/I] I don't have a problem with John McCain the Man, theres no doubt he commands respect as a person an anybody here would be called a liar for not doing what he did to stay alive. But you just can't dismiss reputable people(vets, family members,Senators) for raising questions on mia/pow's and wanting them answered with evidense but have been stoned walled by the gov't led by Sen McCain. If you want to call me a "trash talker" then your calling them "trash talkers" as well. When you come to the realitization and want to address those issues and those witnesses, then we'll talk. But this issue is dead until then. Glorify McCain the person all you want, but McCain "the politician" is fair game, I do have big time problems with his continuance of this administration's polices and his flip-floping of the issues. If you know the man as well as you say you do, you can't sit their and tell me with a straight face that John McCain of 2000 is the same man as 2008. Of course money is not a problem to Sen McCain and he's down to Earth, he only left his first wife who was ill and married a hieress of the Anhieser-Busch family. I'm sorry for your Uncle but many families including mine were effected by Vietnam as well, and have current loved ones serving in the military as we speak. Call me a Liberal Democrat or sterotype me all you want, just remember to take a number while you wait in line. [/QUOTE]
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