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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 591282" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>"OUR" </strong></span><span style="font-size: 10px">problem AV is that "many founders" felt that way not that all founders did so and thus the very document with words we say limited it's scope has in turn been used in the very opposite manner. Even many of those founders including Jefferson once in power moved beyond it's limitations for their own ends. Many historians suggest Jefferson's shame at this is one reason on his tombstone there is no mention of him having been President. Even Jefferson proved Lord Acton correct in the corrupting influence of power. </span></p><p> </p><p>Patrick Henry was dead on right when he said, "I smell a rat!" When you consider Jefferson's archenemy in Hamilton and <a href="http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=346" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">his treachery to the heritage of the revolution</span></a> by his advocacy of a new gov't beyond the Articles and then follow the belief through gov't and the Lion of gov't (Ted Kennedy wasn't the first) that Hamilton became among celebrated statists of both parties, the document to come after that grand convention just has a tainted stain on it from that point forward. But even Jefferson <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=icGh3NxREIIC&pg=PA376&lpg=RA3-PA375&ots=xOzglRZJTF&dq=Thomas+Jefferson+General+Welfare+Clause#v=onepage&q=Thomas%20Jefferson%20General%20Welfare%20Clause&friend=false" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">wasn't opposed to general welfare</span></a>, his only stance was that this general welfare must be in line with the enumeriated powers given to Congress in Art. 1 Sec. 8. Interesting how he saw the Congress as the seat of power and not the Presidency.</p><p> </p><p>George Smith in a <a href="http://mises.org/story/3254" target="_blank">Mises piece on Hamilton </a>stated the following:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Hamilton held a very different view of gov't and from Smith quoting Thomas Dilorenzo in Hamilton's Curse:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Even <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo151.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Dilorenzo himself</span> </a>acknowledge's the influence and control of Hamilton today over the long forgotten Lockean ideals and those of the classical liberal/physiocrats in the radical ideals of Thomas Paine. <span style="font-size: 9px">In regards to Paine, he was probably America's first true anarchist, God Bless him!</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 591282, member: 2189"] [SIZE=3][B]"OUR" [/B][/SIZE][SIZE=2]problem AV is that "many founders" felt that way not that all founders did so and thus the very document with words we say limited it's scope has in turn been used in the very opposite manner. Even many of those founders including Jefferson once in power moved beyond it's limitations for their own ends. Many historians suggest Jefferson's shame at this is one reason on his tombstone there is no mention of him having been President. Even Jefferson proved Lord Acton correct in the corrupting influence of power. [/SIZE] Patrick Henry was dead on right when he said, "I smell a rat!" When you consider Jefferson's archenemy in Hamilton and [URL="http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=346"][COLOR=red]his treachery to the heritage of the revolution[/COLOR][/URL] by his advocacy of a new gov't beyond the Articles and then follow the belief through gov't and the Lion of gov't (Ted Kennedy wasn't the first) that Hamilton became among celebrated statists of both parties, the document to come after that grand convention just has a tainted stain on it from that point forward. But even Jefferson [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=icGh3NxREIIC&pg=PA376&lpg=RA3-PA375&ots=xOzglRZJTF&dq=Thomas+Jefferson+General+Welfare+Clause#v=onepage&q=Thomas%20Jefferson%20General%20Welfare%20Clause&friend=false"][COLOR=red]wasn't opposed to general welfare[/COLOR][/URL], his only stance was that this general welfare must be in line with the enumeriated powers given to Congress in Art. 1 Sec. 8. Interesting how he saw the Congress as the seat of power and not the Presidency. George Smith in a [URL="http://mises.org/story/3254"]Mises piece on Hamilton [/URL]stated the following: Hamilton held a very different view of gov't and from Smith quoting Thomas Dilorenzo in Hamilton's Curse: Even [URL="http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo151.html"][COLOR=red]Dilorenzo himself[/COLOR] [/URL]acknowledge's the influence and control of Hamilton today over the long forgotten Lockean ideals and those of the classical liberal/physiocrats in the radical ideals of Thomas Paine. [SIZE=1]In regards to Paine, he was probably America's first true anarchist, God Bless him![/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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