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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 89490" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Retired,</p><p>Very good post as I think you expressed many feelings that many Americans shared. I'm also of the belief that a split power is more effective in the long run. If you go back to 1994' when the Republican Revolution in Congress took place, up til that point, fiscal constraint was not a serious hot topic. And I'm not pointing the specific finger at Clinton and the democrats because it was the same prior to 92' so at the least Clinton and Co. we just maintaining a tradition set prior to their arrival. </p><p> </p><p>However, in 94' when the Republicans got a hold of shared power then things started to happen. Now IMO it's not all one sided as Clinton came to the table as well but both sides kept the other honest and let's face it, from that time til the last year of Clinton's term, things were pretty good. At that point the economy started to lag but that is going to happen but many good things had been started. When the Republicans got control in 2000' of the whole ball of wax it seemed to just turn south. I know 9/11 was some factor but when you look at all the non-defense spending going on along with the excess porkbarrel which by the way many, many non-partisan groups point to Newt Gringrich as taking an already established policy and moving it to unseen heights as a means of gaining political favor for republicans with the homefolks. That should have never happened IMO based on the language of the Contract With America.</p><p> </p><p>I understand your feelings about longterm loyality to the republicans because in the latter 70's to the mid-80's I was hardcore. But being a much more Barry Goldwater type conservative I quickly realized about 83' that the real Reagan Revolution had been hijacked and was dead. The politicos were just to strong to let that happen. Tell em what they want to hear to get the vote but do otherwise when elected and that's a fact! I sadly realized it and never looked back. Even Tieguy has expressed thoughts that he will have a more independent view going forward and he and I have had our differences of opinion but I highly respect what he has come to express. I consider that thinking a growing trend and is very healthy thing for America. </p><p> </p><p>Whether you believe a federal Department of Education is good or not is not the issue but isn't it ironic that prior to the Bush Presidency, he along with tons of republicans were calling for the complete elimination of this bureacracy but here we are 6 years later and not only is it still there but there size and scope have actually grown. Now anyone can misjudge or make a mistake in understanding but not once over the last 6 years have I heard anyone stand up and say, "I know that I said I was gonna kill it but once I got to Washington and got to looking at it real close I saw that it was really needed, etc. etc." Has anyone had the honesty to do this? Not a peep! Instead, they grow the power and scope and not utter a word about it. </p><p> </p><p>IMO, democrats hold the upperhand going into the fall Congressional elections and should do well. What they need to do is tell the tired old retreads that have run that party's Congressional efforts for years to "park it and shut up!" There are some new and dynamic faces within the party so let them take the lead and they will win. Love her or hate her but Sen. Clinton is savy enough to understand the game and even she has moderated her political speech to the point many don't even consider her a leftist lightning rod like she was once thought or portrayed to be. When it comes to politics and the game she's a real pro and you'd be a fool to think otherwise. She's the brains of that family IMO.</p><p> </p><p>Many people are starting to think more as independents rather than specific party identification and this is a very good thing. I don't know how your local politics works but in my area being democrat or republican is for the most part a non-issue. Ideas and position on specific issues is the main matter. Nationally I think the republicans stink (as well as democrats) but locally I've supported and voted for both. My wife during the last 2 county commission elections was the webmaster (unpaid) for our county commission chairman who happens to be a republican. We face a number of issues locally from impact from development that was given carte blache and no real forethought to where do we go in the future. Couple that with regional problems from the surrounding jurisdictions that to be honest, to properly address, will take a concerted effort of them working together and in some cases some services will have to come from a regional concern and not a purely local and that's a hard pill to swallow for a hardedge libertarian like myself but at least I'm fighting to address this as close to home as possible rather than at the State and federal level forcing the rest of you to pay for it. </p><p> </p><p>Get involved locally and make a difference. If we all did that to some degree I can guarantee 2 things will happen. Life in your neighborhood will get better and that means there's 1 less issue that Washington can manipulate, make an endless program of and then waste money and increase the national debt with it. We're way beyond just voting now boys and girls.</p><p> </p><p>Take care Retired and again, nicely expressed post!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 89490, member: 2189"] Retired, Very good post as I think you expressed many feelings that many Americans shared. I'm also of the belief that a split power is more effective in the long run. If you go back to 1994' when the Republican Revolution in Congress took place, up til that point, fiscal constraint was not a serious hot topic. And I'm not pointing the specific finger at Clinton and the democrats because it was the same prior to 92' so at the least Clinton and Co. we just maintaining a tradition set prior to their arrival. However, in 94' when the Republicans got a hold of shared power then things started to happen. Now IMO it's not all one sided as Clinton came to the table as well but both sides kept the other honest and let's face it, from that time til the last year of Clinton's term, things were pretty good. At that point the economy started to lag but that is going to happen but many good things had been started. When the Republicans got control in 2000' of the whole ball of wax it seemed to just turn south. I know 9/11 was some factor but when you look at all the non-defense spending going on along with the excess porkbarrel which by the way many, many non-partisan groups point to Newt Gringrich as taking an already established policy and moving it to unseen heights as a means of gaining political favor for republicans with the homefolks. That should have never happened IMO based on the language of the Contract With America. I understand your feelings about longterm loyality to the republicans because in the latter 70's to the mid-80's I was hardcore. But being a much more Barry Goldwater type conservative I quickly realized about 83' that the real Reagan Revolution had been hijacked and was dead. The politicos were just to strong to let that happen. Tell em what they want to hear to get the vote but do otherwise when elected and that's a fact! I sadly realized it and never looked back. Even Tieguy has expressed thoughts that he will have a more independent view going forward and he and I have had our differences of opinion but I highly respect what he has come to express. I consider that thinking a growing trend and is very healthy thing for America. Whether you believe a federal Department of Education is good or not is not the issue but isn't it ironic that prior to the Bush Presidency, he along with tons of republicans were calling for the complete elimination of this bureacracy but here we are 6 years later and not only is it still there but there size and scope have actually grown. Now anyone can misjudge or make a mistake in understanding but not once over the last 6 years have I heard anyone stand up and say, "I know that I said I was gonna kill it but once I got to Washington and got to looking at it real close I saw that it was really needed, etc. etc." Has anyone had the honesty to do this? Not a peep! Instead, they grow the power and scope and not utter a word about it. IMO, democrats hold the upperhand going into the fall Congressional elections and should do well. What they need to do is tell the tired old retreads that have run that party's Congressional efforts for years to "park it and shut up!" There are some new and dynamic faces within the party so let them take the lead and they will win. Love her or hate her but Sen. Clinton is savy enough to understand the game and even she has moderated her political speech to the point many don't even consider her a leftist lightning rod like she was once thought or portrayed to be. When it comes to politics and the game she's a real pro and you'd be a fool to think otherwise. She's the brains of that family IMO. Many people are starting to think more as independents rather than specific party identification and this is a very good thing. I don't know how your local politics works but in my area being democrat or republican is for the most part a non-issue. Ideas and position on specific issues is the main matter. Nationally I think the republicans stink (as well as democrats) but locally I've supported and voted for both. My wife during the last 2 county commission elections was the webmaster (unpaid) for our county commission chairman who happens to be a republican. We face a number of issues locally from impact from development that was given carte blache and no real forethought to where do we go in the future. Couple that with regional problems from the surrounding jurisdictions that to be honest, to properly address, will take a concerted effort of them working together and in some cases some services will have to come from a regional concern and not a purely local and that's a hard pill to swallow for a hardedge libertarian like myself but at least I'm fighting to address this as close to home as possible rather than at the State and federal level forcing the rest of you to pay for it. Get involved locally and make a difference. If we all did that to some degree I can guarantee 2 things will happen. Life in your neighborhood will get better and that means there's 1 less issue that Washington can manipulate, make an endless program of and then waste money and increase the national debt with it. We're way beyond just voting now boys and girls. Take care Retired and again, nicely expressed post! [/QUOTE]
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