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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 89512" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p>All in good fun. Don't forget though to complete the dream you would either have to become a demcratic or republican stalwart. Selling the benifits of party affiliation. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /> </p><p> </p><p>If I may get serious for a moment though I have not been as big a supporter of the war as I have been of our troops. </p><p> </p><p>I see the problems we have in Iraq on the national news. I also believe there is much that is positive over there that we don't see. </p><p> </p><p>I believe that our ability to send gigabytes of information around the world in seconds also undermines our support for the war effort which in turn undermines our support for our troops. You can't cleanly seperate the two. </p><p> </p><p>I do hate the concept of war and that fact that we have lost many fine american sons and daughters as well as the sons and daughters of many other nations. </p><p> </p><p>I take some solace in the indisputable fact that Hussien and his fanatics were killing, torturing , raping, maiming so many more innocent iraqi's as they continue to do now under the insurgency. What we see on the news each night is what those cowards were basically doing in that country before the free press was there to show it. </p><p> </p><p>As I've said before in debating this issue on this board the ultimate test of whether this war is a success will be whether this war ends up being the first part of an exercise in region building. If we build a proud democratic example that shows the world that sunnis, shiites and Kurds can politically live vote and breath as one then we win and the entire middle east becomes our friend. The greatest virus we can inject in their existing system is the american virus of democracy and capatilism and the complete assimulation of western Ideals. As long as they live in closed societies and close their minds to the rest of the world the longer they continue to be susceptable to some religious zealots propaganda and thus a threat to the rest of the world. </p><p> </p><p>this would be my humble opinion. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/closedeyes.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":closedeye" title="Closedeyes :closedeye" data-shortname=":closedeye" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 89512, member: 1912"] All in good fun. Don't forget though to complete the dream you would either have to become a demcratic or republican stalwart. Selling the benifits of party affiliation. :thumbup1: If I may get serious for a moment though I have not been as big a supporter of the war as I have been of our troops. I see the problems we have in Iraq on the national news. I also believe there is much that is positive over there that we don't see. I believe that our ability to send gigabytes of information around the world in seconds also undermines our support for the war effort which in turn undermines our support for our troops. You can't cleanly seperate the two. I do hate the concept of war and that fact that we have lost many fine american sons and daughters as well as the sons and daughters of many other nations. I take some solace in the indisputable fact that Hussien and his fanatics were killing, torturing , raping, maiming so many more innocent iraqi's as they continue to do now under the insurgency. What we see on the news each night is what those cowards were basically doing in that country before the free press was there to show it. As I've said before in debating this issue on this board the ultimate test of whether this war is a success will be whether this war ends up being the first part of an exercise in region building. If we build a proud democratic example that shows the world that sunnis, shiites and Kurds can politically live vote and breath as one then we win and the entire middle east becomes our friend. The greatest virus we can inject in their existing system is the american virus of democracy and capatilism and the complete assimulation of western Ideals. As long as they live in closed societies and close their minds to the rest of the world the longer they continue to be susceptable to some religious zealots propaganda and thus a threat to the rest of the world. this would be my humble opinion. :closedeye [/QUOTE]
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