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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 91137" data-attributes="member: 2189">OK Sloth, I&#039;ll accept what you&#039;ve said above for now but I still have some reservations with it.&nbsp; When you consider the many circumstances I can see where others here would look at you with much reservations. In any case I&#039;ll give you the benefit of doubt so for me I&#039;ll just pull my easy chair back out, grab a cold one and observe while you go back to walking the fence top at night to aggravate the dogs.&nbsp; It&#039;s is fun to watch this human comedy!&nbsp;As for Buchannan, I wasn&#039;t asking anyone to agree or disagree.&nbsp; I just found the conclusion at the end to be interesting.&nbsp; If you happen to research across the big picture, there is some truth to what Pat is saying about various cultures re-connecting and re-asserting themselves. I could also point out that you need to consider the so-called &quot;shoe on the opther foot&quot; as in you might also consider walking in Pat&#039;s shoes for a mile!&nbsp; Don&#039;t preach unless you&#039;re willing to consider or ponder the potentials of both sides my friend. &nbsp;Also, what did you think of the info at the link to the Pew Hispanic Center?&nbsp; If even somewhat true, it just shows the problem is beyond a &quot;sneak across at night&quot; border problem.&nbsp; The one thing I do remember about the 9/11 killers is that they all came here via normal immigration channels for entering this country and not getting wet in the river.&nbsp; Also you may not like this but from a military strategy standpoint it makes sense and that is by going into Iraq and creating a military theater in the so-called enemy backyard you force them back home to defend backyard tuff instead of being on offense here.&nbsp; This is only theory but it could be a possible reason we&#039;ve had no further problems here when 9/11 would have suggested it had only begun.&nbsp; &nbsp;Saudi is important in the Muslim world because of Holy ground but Iraq is important as the 2 leading places of Muslim teaching and edict come out of Iraq which is central to their religion.&nbsp; It&#039;s also another reason the military move was made in order to lay their 2 centers within a democratic society in the belief this would over time alter the teaching coming out of these important areas.&nbsp; Now we can agree or disagree with this thought process but over time &quot;if&quot; Iraq becomes democratized then the chance that Muslim teaching could be influenced away from condoning terrorist actions could come to fruition.&nbsp; Psy-ops warfare is as much apart of the military process as soliders and guns, maybe even moreso.&nbsp; I know that was a little off the real subject matter but it does tie end if you are looking &quot;Big Picture&quot;.&nbsp;I&#039;ve lived around here for nearly 35 years and it&#039;s funny that I pay so little attention to the Cross of St. Andrew that I almost never see it even when it&#039;s right in front of me.&nbsp; That flag was a result of nothing more than political opportunism at the time and nothing more.&nbsp; IMHO that flag flying over the capitol with the current govt&#039;s we have was a slap in the face of the men who fought under it and the reasons they fought and it wasn&#039;t about slavery. I&#039;m happy they changed it for that very reason alone.&nbsp;Remember, it&#039;s always the winners who write the history and consider the empirical nature of the American Empire and it&#039;s history over the last 150 years and you&#039;ll begin to open the eyes up to many things that have been hidden right in plain sight.&nbsp;c ya and enjoy the weekend and don&#039;t slip off that fence because any chance to bite your ass I&#039;m sure they will!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 91137, member: 2189"] OK Sloth, I'll accept what you've said above for now but I still have some reservations with it. When you consider the many circumstances I can see where others here would look at you with much reservations. In any case I'll give you the benefit of doubt so for me I'll just pull my easy chair back out, grab a cold one and observe while you go back to walking the fence top at night to aggravate the dogs. It's is fun to watch this human comedy! As for Buchannan, I wasn't asking anyone to agree or disagree. I just found the conclusion at the end to be interesting. If you happen to research across the big picture, there is some truth to what Pat is saying about various cultures re-connecting and re-asserting themselves. I could also point out that you need to consider the so-called "shoe on the opther foot" as in you might also consider walking in Pat's shoes for a mile! Don't preach unless you're willing to consider or ponder the potentials of both sides my friend. Also, what did you think of the info at the link to the Pew Hispanic Center? If even somewhat true, it just shows the problem is beyond a "sneak across at night" border problem. The one thing I do remember about the 9/11 killers is that they all came here via normal immigration channels for entering this country and not getting wet in the river. Also you may not like this but from a military strategy standpoint it makes sense and that is by going into Iraq and creating a military theater in the so-called enemy backyard you force them back home to defend backyard tuff instead of being on offense here. This is only theory but it could be a possible reason we've had no further problems here when 9/11 would have suggested it had only begun. Saudi is important in the Muslim world because of Holy ground but Iraq is important as the 2 leading places of Muslim teaching and edict come out of Iraq which is central to their religion. It's also another reason the military move was made in order to lay their 2 centers within a democratic society in the belief this would over time alter the teaching coming out of these important areas. Now we can agree or disagree with this thought process but over time "if" Iraq becomes democratized then the chance that Muslim teaching could be influenced away from condoning terrorist actions could come to fruition. Psy-ops warfare is as much apart of the military process as soliders and guns, maybe even moreso. I know that was a little off the real subject matter but it does tie end if you are looking "Big Picture". I've lived around here for nearly 35 years and it's funny that I pay so little attention to the Cross of St. Andrew that I almost never see it even when it's right in front of me. That flag was a result of nothing more than political opportunism at the time and nothing more. IMHO that flag flying over the capitol with the current govt's we have was a slap in the face of the men who fought under it and the reasons they fought and it wasn't about slavery. I'm happy they changed it for that very reason alone. Remember, it's always the winners who write the history and consider the empirical nature of the American Empire and it's history over the last 150 years and you'll begin to open the eyes up to many things that have been hidden right in plain sight. c ya and enjoy the weekend and don't slip off that fence because any chance to bite your ass I'm sure they will! [/QUOTE]

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