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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 289967" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Very nicely said there Diesel man. Even though we vastly disagree on economics I respect your honesty about your belief in the welfare state. I can handle that but as you pointed out so correctly IMO, there are those who call themselves "conservative" and even portray themselves as Constitutionalist or as you said, libertarian, when in fact they are as much statist as you are. I think your heart is in the right place, history just tells me to trust no one (large central gov't that is, a local gov't is another matter) as in the end, even though a noble cause on your part, we'll both be the losers and they'll have all the gold! </p><p> </p><p>It's ironic that I watched Newt Gingrich on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning and one of the things Newt talked about was to make gov't work but he said something else that really caught my ear although I'm not surprised. He said the Reagan era is over and that we must reshape the republican party. Well that's been the MO probably since the late 1990's and has esculated since Bush took office as the party has shifted farther and farther from paleo-conservative, the conservatism of Goldwater and pre-White House Reagan and towards the Neo-Conservatism of Irving Kristol.</p><p> </p><p>Now what made this morning's show even more an eye popper was this afternoon I was doing something and had the radio on and was flipping the dial when I ran across a Rush Limbaugh re-run from earlier this week. During the program Rush took a call from a Huckabee defender and Rush went on to say that what the Republican party needs is a return to Reaganest principles of small, limited gov't and reduce real spending of gov't. Rush, you and Newt need to talk because it's obvious you guys are not on the same page or are you? I happen to think they are because the focus of so-called conservatism is not about reducing the size and scope of gov't but rather making gov't work and be more efficent. Cost cutting via higher productivity not cutting gov't. </p><p> </p><p>Neo-Conservatism is about accepting big gov't but making it work with percision efficency and the highest productivity. At least statist liberals if you will are at least honest and upfront about their intended course and direction but in the case of republican conservatives, I see them like alcoholics who are in total denial. Statist in denial if you will. Brett sez to put down that copy of the Communist Manifesto but Brett, why not pick it up yourself and read it and while you're at it also read Das Kapital as well. I think if you did, first off you'd have a better understanding of what communism really was and that the communism of the old soviet Union and China are not the communism of Marx and Engles. Secondly, once you've read the writings of Marx and Engles and began to look at the republican party platform and policy, you'd either have a "come to Jesus" experience or realize you really are an authoriterian statist after all and then go forth and do the will of God and God's work!</p><p> </p><p>The God being the Super State!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 289967, member: 2189"] Very nicely said there Diesel man. Even though we vastly disagree on economics I respect your honesty about your belief in the welfare state. I can handle that but as you pointed out so correctly IMO, there are those who call themselves "conservative" and even portray themselves as Constitutionalist or as you said, libertarian, when in fact they are as much statist as you are. I think your heart is in the right place, history just tells me to trust no one (large central gov't that is, a local gov't is another matter) as in the end, even though a noble cause on your part, we'll both be the losers and they'll have all the gold! It's ironic that I watched Newt Gingrich on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning and one of the things Newt talked about was to make gov't work but he said something else that really caught my ear although I'm not surprised. He said the Reagan era is over and that we must reshape the republican party. Well that's been the MO probably since the late 1990's and has esculated since Bush took office as the party has shifted farther and farther from paleo-conservative, the conservatism of Goldwater and pre-White House Reagan and towards the Neo-Conservatism of Irving Kristol. Now what made this morning's show even more an eye popper was this afternoon I was doing something and had the radio on and was flipping the dial when I ran across a Rush Limbaugh re-run from earlier this week. During the program Rush took a call from a Huckabee defender and Rush went on to say that what the Republican party needs is a return to Reaganest principles of small, limited gov't and reduce real spending of gov't. Rush, you and Newt need to talk because it's obvious you guys are not on the same page or are you? I happen to think they are because the focus of so-called conservatism is not about reducing the size and scope of gov't but rather making gov't work and be more efficent. Cost cutting via higher productivity not cutting gov't. Neo-Conservatism is about accepting big gov't but making it work with percision efficency and the highest productivity. At least statist liberals if you will are at least honest and upfront about their intended course and direction but in the case of republican conservatives, I see them like alcoholics who are in total denial. Statist in denial if you will. Brett sez to put down that copy of the Communist Manifesto but Brett, why not pick it up yourself and read it and while you're at it also read Das Kapital as well. I think if you did, first off you'd have a better understanding of what communism really was and that the communism of the old soviet Union and China are not the communism of Marx and Engles. Secondly, once you've read the writings of Marx and Engles and began to look at the republican party platform and policy, you'd either have a "come to Jesus" experience or realize you really are an authoriterian statist after all and then go forth and do the will of God and God's work! The God being the Super State! [/QUOTE]
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