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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 290149" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>And to think I wasted all those hours in reading both when I could have just read the Jethro Bodine "Collectivism on the Cheap!"</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>It's amazing when someone first off thinks the 10 planks are the all incompassing of what is communism but more so what amazes me is when someone looks at the 10 planks and doesn't recognize the relevant areas of our own gov't that in many ways mirror those planks. Now I know we have lip service from some sections of gov't to rid us of the income tax or the estate tax for example but what they miss is the fact they aren't cutting gov't so as to not need these type things anymore but rather they "reinvent" gov't to a new paradigm so that they can remove those old means and still manintain the means to driving the revenue, it's just now from other sources. An example would be the income tax replaced by the FairTax. Same amount of revenue, different vehicle to collect it. </p><p> </p><p>In the tradition of Goldwater and Reagan, how does that really reduce the size and scope of gov't? In fact, you could ask that question in relation to the 1994' Republican revolution and the contract with America as it's stated goal was to cut the size and scope of gov't but the only real thing the 1994' revolution did was curtail the amount of fertilizer spreading sessions the President at the time had with a certain female aid! Well it did same money on the excessive cleaning of the Oval office carpets!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /></p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>BTW: Ron Paul was asked by Glenn Beck on how he would pay for eliminating the income and social security taxation. Ron stated that you bring home all the troops stationed in Europe, Japan and Korea that were there according the the old Cold War paradigm and I agree totally with this and you cut gov't back to the level it was in 2000'. These 2 changes could eliminate the need for an income tax entirely and no national sales tax either, But it could also save the ailing SS program allowing it to provide for it current obligations but also give the freedom to now enter an honest open national discussion about the direction of SS as the need to pay for what we got right now is taken care of. No one gets short sheeted but the new kids in the workforce now have the freeedom to choose a course of self determination of their own choosing and not one dictated by their parents and grandparents who are wasting their economic futures into oblivion. </p><p> </p><p>It's also no surprise why many liberals are flocking to Ron as they realize he's not going to cut and burn as many fear but rather fulfil the obligations promised and then from here forward move those processes either back to the private arena or allow citizens the freeedom on the State and local levels to inact community plans of their own if they so choose. That's the lost message of Goldwater and pre WH Reagan and the traditions of the founding fathers and limited federal gov't.</p><p> </p><p>Cut Gov't back to the level it was in 2000' and they call the democrats the party of BIG GROWTH GOV'T!</p><p> </p><p>Marx would be proud of the new 21st century Republicans!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 290149, member: 2189"] And to think I wasted all those hours in reading both when I could have just read the Jethro Bodine "Collectivism on the Cheap!" :happy-very: It's amazing when someone first off thinks the 10 planks are the all incompassing of what is communism but more so what amazes me is when someone looks at the 10 planks and doesn't recognize the relevant areas of our own gov't that in many ways mirror those planks. Now I know we have lip service from some sections of gov't to rid us of the income tax or the estate tax for example but what they miss is the fact they aren't cutting gov't so as to not need these type things anymore but rather they "reinvent" gov't to a new paradigm so that they can remove those old means and still manintain the means to driving the revenue, it's just now from other sources. An example would be the income tax replaced by the FairTax. Same amount of revenue, different vehicle to collect it. In the tradition of Goldwater and Reagan, how does that really reduce the size and scope of gov't? In fact, you could ask that question in relation to the 1994' Republican revolution and the contract with America as it's stated goal was to cut the size and scope of gov't but the only real thing the 1994' revolution did was curtail the amount of fertilizer spreading sessions the President at the time had with a certain female aid! Well it did same money on the excessive cleaning of the Oval office carpets! :surprised: :happy-very::happy-very::happy-very: BTW: Ron Paul was asked by Glenn Beck on how he would pay for eliminating the income and social security taxation. Ron stated that you bring home all the troops stationed in Europe, Japan and Korea that were there according the the old Cold War paradigm and I agree totally with this and you cut gov't back to the level it was in 2000'. These 2 changes could eliminate the need for an income tax entirely and no national sales tax either, But it could also save the ailing SS program allowing it to provide for it current obligations but also give the freedom to now enter an honest open national discussion about the direction of SS as the need to pay for what we got right now is taken care of. No one gets short sheeted but the new kids in the workforce now have the freeedom to choose a course of self determination of their own choosing and not one dictated by their parents and grandparents who are wasting their economic futures into oblivion. It's also no surprise why many liberals are flocking to Ron as they realize he's not going to cut and burn as many fear but rather fulfil the obligations promised and then from here forward move those processes either back to the private arena or allow citizens the freeedom on the State and local levels to inact community plans of their own if they so choose. That's the lost message of Goldwater and pre WH Reagan and the traditions of the founding fathers and limited federal gov't. Cut Gov't back to the level it was in 2000' and they call the democrats the party of BIG GROWTH GOV'T! Marx would be proud of the new 21st century Republicans! :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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