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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 290556" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Tie,</p><p> </p><p>You are right that a lot of this is getting into political theory and even history. Some folks view events as nothing more than looking at the current situation and then reacting as they see fit based on belief. I happen to think most people are this way and I think that's probably a normal human nature response.</p><p> </p><p>Most people know that an airplane was flown into a building and nothing else matters but to bring the guilty person down. Also it's important to do everything necessary to prevent that from happening again. This IMO is the process in just about everything from people losing their jobs to whatever. Don't bother me with details, just make it go away so I can return to my life.</p><p> </p><p>Life is all about action and reaction and to understand the reaction of the present you have to understand the actions of the past. All I've done is look back to see forward. It's funny, in good map and compass, you use that priciple to set your current bearing in order to plot the position of where you want to go. If you never use plots to the rear to maintain orientation going forward, odds are you will veer off course and never get where you intended. As a former avid caver among other things outdoors who also surveyed and mapped cave systems, I can tell you when you get underground in a multi-level system that stretches out for miles and miles, knowing past points is the key to getting back out once the trip is over. I just use that same practice so to speak in day to day life also.</p><p> </p><p>AV8,</p><p> </p><p>Not never and I mean not never have I advocated taking one red cent from the rich for any type purpose of wealth redistribution. I abhore the welfare state even under the most noble of causes. Now I do believe there are certain monopolistic federal laws that grant preferred standing to certain business interest over potential upstarts that could rise to compete (our current energy crisis is a great case study of just such a thing) and therefore I do believe that should be not eliminated but <strong><em>annililated</em></strong> from the books so if that would take money from certain rich people then I stand guilty. What many believe is gov't regulatory control used to protect is IMHO and in fact used to undermine competition and control the market which in itself brings out fraud and harnful products as there's no competing element to keep thing honest. All you have to do is control the gov't that runs the bureaucracy and payoffs known as campaign contributions and then it's wide open as no one is minding the store. Only time someone gets caught is when they let something go critical mass and the public catches winds so a lamb is led to slaughter and the people return to their slumber feeling vendicated and the politicos return to bid-ness as usual.</p><p> </p><p>I believe in a true open and free market not one that is called such but in reality is a market of special interest of those who have standing in Washington. </p><p> </p><p>A good case is point is an op-ed from Star Parker posted at Townhall which is by no means a so-called liberal website. Here's what Ms. Star said in an op-ed entitled,"How Republicans Can Help Elect a Democrat!"</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/StarParker/2008/01/14/how_republicans_can_help_elect_a_democrat" target="_blank">http://www.townhall.com/columnists/StarParker/2008/01/14/how_republicans_can_help_elect_a_democrat</a></p><p> </p><p>Do I want to kill that process which would take money from some rich people? OH H3LL YEAH! In a heart attack. I believe Free Open markets for all not Free Open markets for the gov't connected priviledge which is what we have right now IMHO and it's also this skewed scenario that has people like D and others so upset and are crying foul and they have good cause to do so.</p><p> </p><p>Are the democrats any better? Oh H3LL No and D will be the first to tell you I'm not their friend either. I hate both parties will equal passion and since 1984' I've refused to vote for either party in a Federal election. I think they both are of equal guilt. As for either being communist in the 20th term, not really. 20th century communism is a movement by sheer violent force. Revolutionary Empire if you will. Marx was influenced by the 19th century Fabian Society and believed in gradualism and reform. In other words, to change a society for capitialism to socialism and then to the utlimate goal of communism of mental condition of all things in common to the point all gov't would be abolished, you had to take gradual steps. </p><p> </p><p>The 10 planks are not communism in themselves but the gradualism of reform in law needed to move a capitialist society over to one of socialism. This was the means of the British Fabain Society. My personal belief is certain positioned people saw the means of using these methods not for the grander purpose of social change to a society in common unison but rather a means to as they say "corner the market themselves" while the dumb people believe the goal to be for a greater good. History IMO is loaded with these type people steering gov't for their own ends and I'm tired of this process and will continue to object and revolt in the style of King and Ghandi so there you go! Love me, hate, sneer at me or whatever but I'll continue to fight the American Empire with all I can.</p><p> </p><p>The backbone of a free society is a prosperous middle class and that class only survives under a very limited federal gov't and not burdened with an unpayable tax debt because of an out of control federal debt. one even greater harm as our military might is used to secure global markets under the guise of democratization and bringing freedom to the "ignorant" masses. It also depends on a gov't focused on the true national interests at home and not the international global interests of a monied few!</p><p> </p><p>JHMO!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 290556, member: 2189"] Tie, You are right that a lot of this is getting into political theory and even history. Some folks view events as nothing more than looking at the current situation and then reacting as they see fit based on belief. I happen to think most people are this way and I think that's probably a normal human nature response. Most people know that an airplane was flown into a building and nothing else matters but to bring the guilty person down. Also it's important to do everything necessary to prevent that from happening again. This IMO is the process in just about everything from people losing their jobs to whatever. Don't bother me with details, just make it go away so I can return to my life. Life is all about action and reaction and to understand the reaction of the present you have to understand the actions of the past. All I've done is look back to see forward. It's funny, in good map and compass, you use that priciple to set your current bearing in order to plot the position of where you want to go. If you never use plots to the rear to maintain orientation going forward, odds are you will veer off course and never get where you intended. As a former avid caver among other things outdoors who also surveyed and mapped cave systems, I can tell you when you get underground in a multi-level system that stretches out for miles and miles, knowing past points is the key to getting back out once the trip is over. I just use that same practice so to speak in day to day life also. AV8, Not never and I mean not never have I advocated taking one red cent from the rich for any type purpose of wealth redistribution. I abhore the welfare state even under the most noble of causes. Now I do believe there are certain monopolistic federal laws that grant preferred standing to certain business interest over potential upstarts that could rise to compete (our current energy crisis is a great case study of just such a thing) and therefore I do believe that should be not eliminated but [B][I]annililated[/I][/B] from the books so if that would take money from certain rich people then I stand guilty. What many believe is gov't regulatory control used to protect is IMHO and in fact used to undermine competition and control the market which in itself brings out fraud and harnful products as there's no competing element to keep thing honest. All you have to do is control the gov't that runs the bureaucracy and payoffs known as campaign contributions and then it's wide open as no one is minding the store. Only time someone gets caught is when they let something go critical mass and the public catches winds so a lamb is led to slaughter and the people return to their slumber feeling vendicated and the politicos return to bid-ness as usual. I believe in a true open and free market not one that is called such but in reality is a market of special interest of those who have standing in Washington. A good case is point is an op-ed from Star Parker posted at Townhall which is by no means a so-called liberal website. Here's what Ms. Star said in an op-ed entitled,"How Republicans Can Help Elect a Democrat!" [URL]http://www.townhall.com/columnists/StarParker/2008/01/14/how_republicans_can_help_elect_a_democrat[/URL] Do I want to kill that process which would take money from some rich people? OH H3LL YEAH! In a heart attack. I believe Free Open markets for all not Free Open markets for the gov't connected priviledge which is what we have right now IMHO and it's also this skewed scenario that has people like D and others so upset and are crying foul and they have good cause to do so. Are the democrats any better? Oh H3LL No and D will be the first to tell you I'm not their friend either. I hate both parties will equal passion and since 1984' I've refused to vote for either party in a Federal election. I think they both are of equal guilt. As for either being communist in the 20th term, not really. 20th century communism is a movement by sheer violent force. Revolutionary Empire if you will. Marx was influenced by the 19th century Fabian Society and believed in gradualism and reform. In other words, to change a society for capitialism to socialism and then to the utlimate goal of communism of mental condition of all things in common to the point all gov't would be abolished, you had to take gradual steps. The 10 planks are not communism in themselves but the gradualism of reform in law needed to move a capitialist society over to one of socialism. This was the means of the British Fabain Society. My personal belief is certain positioned people saw the means of using these methods not for the grander purpose of social change to a society in common unison but rather a means to as they say "corner the market themselves" while the dumb people believe the goal to be for a greater good. History IMO is loaded with these type people steering gov't for their own ends and I'm tired of this process and will continue to object and revolt in the style of King and Ghandi so there you go! Love me, hate, sneer at me or whatever but I'll continue to fight the American Empire with all I can. The backbone of a free society is a prosperous middle class and that class only survives under a very limited federal gov't and not burdened with an unpayable tax debt because of an out of control federal debt. one even greater harm as our military might is used to secure global markets under the guise of democratization and bringing freedom to the "ignorant" masses. It also depends on a gov't focused on the true national interests at home and not the international global interests of a monied few! JHMO! [/QUOTE]
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