The last of the 22.3

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Wellitjusthappened, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. Before we had this vote my local president told us that any new 22.3 will be phased out in favor for the 22.4. Has anyone else locals said the same.
     
  2. ManInBrown

    ManInBrown Well-Known Member

    Impossible. Some of the 22.3 jobs at least in the 177 are highly coveted FT positions. Rewrap, clerk, porter. Lots of 25-30 year drivers move into those positions.
     
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  3. Well he said for next five years no more “new” ones.
     
  4. ManInBrown

    ManInBrown Well-Known Member

    Which one is it? The last, or for 5 years? Make up your mind? I think whoever told you this is clueless
     
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  5. My local is pushing this very hard even though the entire membership was against it
     
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  6. No my local president told us for new contract
     
  7. Anyone a member of local 988?
     
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  9. Man we got screwed didn’t we
     
  10. I voted no because of this
     
  11. I keep breaking my promise to not post here anymore.
    This doesnt "say" that there wont be any more new 22.3 opportunities but the mass push to create cheap driving positions will probably be a tsunami, brushing 22.3 jobs to the rear of the line as far as possible.
    It quacks like a duck.

    At least your local was honest with you. Our ba said the 22.4s will absolutely not take the place of 22.3 opportunities. I can only go by the language written. I presume the proposed language is the same as the final version? I'll default to that.
     
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  12. From the Sep 6, 2018 Q & As thru UPSrising...
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  13. Yeah but the 22.4 make the company more money
     
  14. The posted answer from the ibt said "many of these new jobs will most likely be 22.4 jobs".
    There you have it in black and white.
    But the 22.4 jobs wont "make the company more money" as much as over the life span of a 22.4 career they will save them a ton of money and the more they implement the more the savings.

    When your job gets "red circled" it's like comparing it to a protected species. You may become extinct. Fyi.
    (Note the number of red circled part timers still working.)
     
  15. I get red circle for the whole 4yrs of 22.3 progression
     
  16. But yeah I guess the union knows what best for us :sad-little:
     
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  17. The Real Jack RyanMI6

    The Real Jack RyanMI6 Active Member

    This is one of those specifically vague areas UPS is sure to use in their favor as much as possible if they are able to replace 22.3s with 22.4s in our center UPS will save a ton of money. A few are ready to retire in 1 to 3 years so it will be interesting to see.
     
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  18. FrigidFTSup

    FrigidFTSup Resident Suit

    With the staffing issues major hubs are experiencing...22.3s aren’t going anywhere. If anything more will be brought on in hard hit areas
     
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  19. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    The existing 22.3 jobs cannot be eliminated.



    Absolutely.


    The 5000 new full-time jobs to be created, is the minimum.
     
  20. Daf

    Daf Active Member

    They likely won’t be creating any new 22.3. The existing amount has to remain the same.