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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 535773" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>And what about the fact that one of the reasons we waved the flag and sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic as we marched into Iraq was to free the Iraqi people from the brutality and "TORTURE" of Saddam Hussein and his 2 sons.</p><p> </p><p>I'm sure Saddam could make a quick case that he tortured to protect Iraq and it citizens.</p><p> </p><p>And it's no secret that we exploited the practices of the Taliban (so easy a caveman could do it <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" />) for propoganda reasons for leverage to heighten more support for war in Afghanistan. The treatment of women alone was good leverage to put the feminist movement, especially the anitwar segment in at least some form of political check. </p><p> </p><p>And dare I point out our righteous indignation towards Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda for killing 3000k innocent people on 9/11 but when we kill multiple times that many innocent people ourselves in the advancement of american justice, we soldier onward singing the chorus of "Onward Christian Soldiers!" </p><p> </p><p>It's funny that when a person or group or persons kill innocent people outside some formal structure of democratic gov't model they are murderers and yet we can collectivize ourselves declaring some manifest destiny assigned by God, assign leadership roles to annointed persons among our midst (democrats and republicans equally) and they can decide to kill innocents in the quest for a so-called greater good and yet they are not called murderers among our midst. We call them great leaders, giants of society, patriots. I won't post it here as you can go to YouTube and see it for yourself but the opening 5 minutes of the movie 1984 comes to mind right now. Funny how the fiction from paper and celluloid can be a true mirror of ourselves.</p><p> </p><p>I wonder what almight God will call those so-called great leaders of ours on that day they stand before him and then what of those who blindly follow and support them? Something about "depart from me because I never knew you" comes to mind!</p><p> </p><p>The flipside of Glenn's piece concerns transfer of nuclear technology to another Middle Eastern State and looking out long term, we've not had raving success when we've done this in the past so I question opening the atomic "genie bottle" any wider in this region. </p><p> </p><p>This was done last year by the Bush Adminstration under cover of low profile, little fanfare with Saudi Arabia and the most interesting fact of all, where were the loud and vocal objections of the Israeli's? <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /> I mean if we'd done this with Iraq or Iran, OMG! What about Syria? Or Libya even? And yet, here is Saudi Arabia, the fertile cresent of radical islam and seedfarm of terrorist and terror organizations and we give them nuke technology and the Israeli's are quiet as church mice!</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121305642257659301.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Wall Street Journal 6/10/2008</span></a></p><p> </p><p>This piece was written by Sen. Markey of Mass. and I appreciate many of the things he said/asked in this piece. And if you think Markey's comments in the first paragraph above is some form of BS or looney tunes, then you have to consider the 2004' comments of VP Cheney of equal lunacy.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>The Israeli Noise machine has been most vocal about Iran in respects to it's nuclear potentials but where is that noise in respect to Saudi Arabia and now the UAE's? IMO the silence of the Israeli gov't and it's American muscle (AIPAC,etc) speaks volumes and just makes a case that in fact all is not truly as it seems!</p><p> </p><p>Then again, just a quick look around that at the very least, seems that suspicious suggestive evidence is/might be everywhere and maybe we aren't willing to look. <a href="http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/us-planning-to-sell-advanced-weapons-technology-to-gulf-states/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">From July 2007' Washington Post</span></a></p><p> </p><p>Question of the day. Who/What is Bridas?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p><p> </p><p>Send me the tax bill Moreluck, I'll gladly pay it for this one!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 535773, member: 2189"] And what about the fact that one of the reasons we waved the flag and sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic as we marched into Iraq was to free the Iraqi people from the brutality and "TORTURE" of Saddam Hussein and his 2 sons. I'm sure Saddam could make a quick case that he tortured to protect Iraq and it citizens. And it's no secret that we exploited the practices of the Taliban (so easy a caveman could do it :happy-very:) for propoganda reasons for leverage to heighten more support for war in Afghanistan. The treatment of women alone was good leverage to put the feminist movement, especially the anitwar segment in at least some form of political check. And dare I point out our righteous indignation towards Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda for killing 3000k innocent people on 9/11 but when we kill multiple times that many innocent people ourselves in the advancement of american justice, we soldier onward singing the chorus of "Onward Christian Soldiers!" It's funny that when a person or group or persons kill innocent people outside some formal structure of democratic gov't model they are murderers and yet we can collectivize ourselves declaring some manifest destiny assigned by God, assign leadership roles to annointed persons among our midst (democrats and republicans equally) and they can decide to kill innocents in the quest for a so-called greater good and yet they are not called murderers among our midst. We call them great leaders, giants of society, patriots. I won't post it here as you can go to YouTube and see it for yourself but the opening 5 minutes of the movie 1984 comes to mind right now. Funny how the fiction from paper and celluloid can be a true mirror of ourselves. I wonder what almight God will call those so-called great leaders of ours on that day they stand before him and then what of those who blindly follow and support them? Something about "depart from me because I never knew you" comes to mind! The flipside of Glenn's piece concerns transfer of nuclear technology to another Middle Eastern State and looking out long term, we've not had raving success when we've done this in the past so I question opening the atomic "genie bottle" any wider in this region. This was done last year by the Bush Adminstration under cover of low profile, little fanfare with Saudi Arabia and the most interesting fact of all, where were the loud and vocal objections of the Israeli's? :surprised: I mean if we'd done this with Iraq or Iran, OMG! What about Syria? Or Libya even? And yet, here is Saudi Arabia, the fertile cresent of radical islam and seedfarm of terrorist and terror organizations and we give them nuke technology and the Israeli's are quiet as church mice! [URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121305642257659301.html"][COLOR=red]Wall Street Journal 6/10/2008[/COLOR][/URL] This piece was written by Sen. Markey of Mass. and I appreciate many of the things he said/asked in this piece. And if you think Markey's comments in the first paragraph above is some form of BS or looney tunes, then you have to consider the 2004' comments of VP Cheney of equal lunacy. The Israeli Noise machine has been most vocal about Iran in respects to it's nuclear potentials but where is that noise in respect to Saudi Arabia and now the UAE's? IMO the silence of the Israeli gov't and it's American muscle (AIPAC,etc) speaks volumes and just makes a case that in fact all is not truly as it seems! Then again, just a quick look around that at the very least, seems that suspicious suggestive evidence is/might be everywhere and maybe we aren't willing to look. [URL="http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/us-planning-to-sell-advanced-weapons-technology-to-gulf-states/"][COLOR=red]From July 2007' Washington Post[/COLOR][/URL] Question of the day. Who/What is Bridas? :wink2: :peaceful: Send me the tax bill Moreluck, I'll gladly pay it for this one! [/QUOTE]
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