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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4009141" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p><strong>nOAM CHOMSKY:</strong> So, take, say, the huge issue of interference in<strong> our pristine elections</strong>. Did the Russians interfere in our elections? An issue of overwhelming concern in the media. I mean, in most of the world, that’s almost a joke. First of all, if you’re interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support.<strong> Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done,</strong> I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015.</p><p></p><p><strong>AMY GOODMAN:</strong> So, that’s MIT professor emeritus Noam Chomsky, world-renowned linguist, a well-known dissident, is a writer of over a hundred books. Glenn Greenwald, can you respond?</p><p></p><p><strong>GLENN GREENWALD:</strong> Well, that’s been the other critical point this entire time, is this kind of melodrama over the outrage that any country would dare to interfere in<strong> our sacred and glorious democracy</strong>, when, as Noam Chomsky just pointed out and has spent the last 40 years pointing out, the United States has done very little<strong> since the end of World War II but going around the world and interfering in every single democracy that they can find</strong>, literally, including the country in which I’m currently living, which is Brazil, where<strong> they overthrew a democratically elected government in 1964 and then proceeded to impose a military regime for 21 years</strong>, and also Russia, where they openly boasted about helping to <strong>elect Boris Yeltsin because he would privatize everything and that would be good for U.S. industry, or even agitating anti-Putin resistance in parliamentary elections</strong> under Hillary Clinton’s reign as secretary of state.</p><p></p><p>This doesn’t make it right for Russia to do it, but we’ve never kept in perspective the fact that interfering or meddling in other countries’ elections or governance is not some grave, aberrational, never-before-heard drama that the entire world has to stop and lament and put an end to. It’s normal business. We’re currently, right now, in the process of trying to <strong>change the government of Venezuela openly</strong>, and have done so over and over around the world. And that’s why Noam Chomsky says that all of this moral outrage of Americans at the idea that somebody would interfere in or meddle in our democracy has made the U.S. a laughingstock to the hundreds of millions of people—billions, in fact—who live in countries where the U.S. has done this and far, far worse for decade after decade after decade.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2019/3/25/as_mueller_finds_no_collusion_did" target="_blank">As Mueller Finds No Collusion, Did Press Overhype Russiagate? Glenn Greenwald vs. David Cay Johnston | Democracy Now!</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 4009141, member: 56035"] [B]nOAM CHOMSKY:[/B] So, take, say, the huge issue of interference in[B] our pristine elections[/B]. Did the Russians interfere in our elections? An issue of overwhelming concern in the media. I mean, in most of the world, that’s almost a joke. First of all, if you’re interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support.[B] Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done,[/B] I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015. [B]AMY GOODMAN:[/B] So, that’s MIT professor emeritus Noam Chomsky, world-renowned linguist, a well-known dissident, is a writer of over a hundred books. Glenn Greenwald, can you respond? [B]GLENN GREENWALD:[/B] Well, that’s been the other critical point this entire time, is this kind of melodrama over the outrage that any country would dare to interfere in[B] our sacred and glorious democracy[/B], when, as Noam Chomsky just pointed out and has spent the last 40 years pointing out, the United States has done very little[B] since the end of World War II but going around the world and interfering in every single democracy that they can find[/B], literally, including the country in which I’m currently living, which is Brazil, where[B] they overthrew a democratically elected government in 1964 and then proceeded to impose a military regime for 21 years[/B], and also Russia, where they openly boasted about helping to [B]elect Boris Yeltsin because he would privatize everything and that would be good for U.S. industry, or even agitating anti-Putin resistance in parliamentary elections[/B] under Hillary Clinton’s reign as secretary of state. This doesn’t make it right for Russia to do it, but we’ve never kept in perspective the fact that interfering or meddling in other countries’ elections or governance is not some grave, aberrational, never-before-heard drama that the entire world has to stop and lament and put an end to. It’s normal business. We’re currently, right now, in the process of trying to [B]change the government of Venezuela openly[/B], and have done so over and over around the world. And that’s why Noam Chomsky says that all of this moral outrage of Americans at the idea that somebody would interfere in or meddle in our democracy has made the U.S. a laughingstock to the hundreds of millions of people—billions, in fact—who live in countries where the U.S. has done this and far, far worse for decade after decade after decade. [URL="https://www.democracynow.org/2019/3/25/as_mueller_finds_no_collusion_did"]As Mueller Finds No Collusion, Did Press Overhype Russiagate? Glenn Greenwald vs. David Cay Johnston | Democracy Now![/URL] [/QUOTE]
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