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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4010988" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p><strong>JS:</strong> And on Russia? For all the talk of Russia collusion and Trump being an asset, Donald Trump has dramatically ratcheted up official hostilities with Russia. Look at the ongoing attempted coup against a key Russian ally in Venezuela, the Trump administration’s arming of Ukrainian forces with lethal aid, Trump’s open threats to massively retaliate against Moscow if they interfered with Trump’s bombing of Russian ally Bashar al Assad. Trump hectored Angela Merkel and Germany over their purchase of natural gas from Russia, Trump has imposed sanctions, expelled diplomats, on and on. Trump has been pretty damn hawkish on Russia, despite all the absolutely questionable behavior and constant lies about his discussions with Russian figures or people attached to the Kremlin and his public comments about Putin and his meetings without notes. But as commander in chief, Donald Trump has been as hawkish—if not more so on some issues—than his predecessors.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>JS:</strong> And now we come to this whole Russiagate matter. We do not yet have Robert Mueller’s report and Attorney General William Barr is a shady character. He was a key player in covering up the Iran-Contra scandal and getting pardons for some of the key criminals involved with it. But, it would be an unthinkably brazen move—even within Trump world—for William Barr to just whole cloth misquote Robert Mueller when he says that <strong>Mueller determined that there was no collusion, no criminal activity by Trump and Russia to interfere in the 2016 elections.</strong> So now we have this saga dragging on, and the Democratic chairs of several key House committees seem intent on continuing this investigation regardless of what the Mueller report says.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>JS:</strong> This much is clear: This has been an utterly colossal media failure and it reveals how little things have actually changed with the broader press since the Iraq War lies. The overall tone of much of the reporting on this Trump-Russia story has started from the position that <strong>the intelligence community was being truthful about Trump and Russia</strong>. The reporting then sought to further confirm those assertions. It was <strong>confirmation bias</strong> to the nth degree.</p><p></p><p>The starting point should be, to quote I.friend. Stone, all governments lie. That is the biggest common denominator between the Iraq war media failures and the ones we have seen here with Russiagate</p><p></p><p><a href="https://theintercept.com/2019/03/27/the-day-after-mueller/" target="_blank">Intercepted Podcast: The Day After Mueller</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 4010988, member: 56035"] [B]JS:[/B] And on Russia? For all the talk of Russia collusion and Trump being an asset, Donald Trump has dramatically ratcheted up official hostilities with Russia. Look at the ongoing attempted coup against a key Russian ally in Venezuela, the Trump administration’s arming of Ukrainian forces with lethal aid, Trump’s open threats to massively retaliate against Moscow if they interfered with Trump’s bombing of Russian ally Bashar al Assad. Trump hectored Angela Merkel and Germany over their purchase of natural gas from Russia, Trump has imposed sanctions, expelled diplomats, on and on. Trump has been pretty damn hawkish on Russia, despite all the absolutely questionable behavior and constant lies about his discussions with Russian figures or people attached to the Kremlin and his public comments about Putin and his meetings without notes. But as commander in chief, Donald Trump has been as hawkish—if not more so on some issues—than his predecessors. [B]JS:[/B] And now we come to this whole Russiagate matter. We do not yet have Robert Mueller’s report and Attorney General William Barr is a shady character. He was a key player in covering up the Iran-Contra scandal and getting pardons for some of the key criminals involved with it. But, it would be an unthinkably brazen move—even within Trump world—for William Barr to just whole cloth misquote Robert Mueller when he says that [B]Mueller determined that there was no collusion, no criminal activity by Trump and Russia to interfere in the 2016 elections.[/B] So now we have this saga dragging on, and the Democratic chairs of several key House committees seem intent on continuing this investigation regardless of what the Mueller report says. [B]JS:[/B] This much is clear: This has been an utterly colossal media failure and it reveals how little things have actually changed with the broader press since the Iraq War lies. The overall tone of much of the reporting on this Trump-Russia story has started from the position that [B]the intelligence community was being truthful about Trump and Russia[/B]. The reporting then sought to further confirm those assertions. It was [B]confirmation bias[/B] to the nth degree. The starting point should be, to quote I.friend. Stone, all governments lie. That is the biggest common denominator between the Iraq war media failures and the ones we have seen here with Russiagate [URL="https://theintercept.com/2019/03/27/the-day-after-mueller/"]Intercepted Podcast: The Day After Mueller[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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