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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wilberforce15" data-source="post: 5231507" data-attributes="member: 5053">That was his goal from the beginning. You can go back in this thread to my first post, and I said that was his goal. That's because I read.He attacked to secure a neutral Ukraine, either split with his control in the Eastern half, or so he could install a puppet and at least secure a commitment not to join NATO. He attacked to keep Ukraine out of NATO.He never wanted to run it himself. That was never even on the table, and I said so from the beginning. So did he. So did everybody except the folks trying to get your kid to fight in this Hatfields and Mccoys nonsense.</blockquote>