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<blockquote data-quote="wilberforce15" data-source="post: 5231620" data-attributes="member: 5053">Political processes are long. But the cat was out of the bag. <a href="https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2005/04-april/e0421b.htm" target="_blank">NATO Update: NATO launches ‘Intensified Dialogue’ with Ukraine - MFA - Vilnius 20-21 April 2005</a>NATO has wanted it for a very long time. It&#039;s a very aggressive, expansionary, &quot;defensive&quot; alliance that &quot;defends&quot; itself into expansion thousands of miles from its original jurisdiction. They subsumed Turkey, for Pete&#039;s sake.If they got Turkey and Erdogan, then Ukraine is a trivial problem. This is all so terribly silly. Ukraine was going into NATO, formally or functionally. We gave Putin one chance to stop it, and he took it.That&#039;s not a moral judgment. It&#039;s a chess calculation. I don&#039;t care if the Hatfields or Mccoys win. They&#039;ve been fighting longer than I can trace my family history in the region. They&#039;ll be fighting in 100 years. I simply do not care.Putin is a murderer and thug. Zelenskyy is a tranny puppet. Who gives a rip? Let them fight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wilberforce15, post: 5231620, member: 5053"] Political processes are long. But the cat was out of the bag. [URL='https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2005/04-april/e0421b.htm']NATO Update: NATO launches ‘Intensified Dialogue’ with Ukraine - MFA - Vilnius 20-21 April 2005[/URL] NATO has wanted it for a very long time. It's a very aggressive, expansionary, "defensive" alliance that "defends" itself into expansion thousands of miles from its original jurisdiction. They subsumed Turkey, for Pete's sake. If they got Turkey and Erdogan, then Ukraine is a trivial problem. This is all so terribly silly. Ukraine was going into NATO, formally or functionally. We gave Putin one chance to stop it, and he took it. That's not a moral judgment. It's a chess calculation. I don't care if the Hatfields or Mccoys win. They've been fighting longer than I can trace my family history in the region. They'll be fighting in 100 years. I simply do not care. Putin is a murderer and thug. Zelenskyy is a tranny puppet. Who gives a rip? Let them fight. [/QUOTE]

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