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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 5239886" data-attributes="member: 56035">[USER=24302]@vantexan[/USER] <a href="https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.111/c03.434.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ralph-Nader-Radio-Hour-Ep-423-Transcript.pdf" target="_blank">https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.111/c03.434.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ralph-Nader-Radio-Hour-Ep-423-Transcript.pdf</a> Ralph Nader: Chris, we&#039;re going to get to that in a minute. Just to complete the analogy, Iraqdidn&#039;t threaten the US. There was no threat there at all. It was 6,000/7,000 miles away, and westill went in with the most modern warfare you could imagine. And of course now, almost 20years later, it&#039;s still chaotic; it&#039;s still brutal--the poverty, the refugees, the displaced persons, thediseases and there we have a few thousand soldiers still in Iraq, but the system is in total chaos,and it&#039;s called a mistake instead of a first-class war crime. So back to your point on NATO, let&#039;sgo back into history a bit here. Napoleon invaded Russia--slaughtered. The Kaiser invadedRussia-- slaughtered. Hitler invaded Russia--slaughtered. Maybe a total of 50 million people, andit&#039;s quite understandable that the Russian people, apart from Putin, are quite concerned abouttheir western frontier. Imagine if that happened on our northern border--three invasions. Do youthink we would have calmly set sail for Tahiti or Hawaii? What would we have done to ournorthern border if the shoe was on the other foot? So start with the NATO assurances with JimBaker and others</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 5239886, member: 56035"] [USER=24302]@vantexan[/USER] [URL]https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.111/c03.434.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ralph-Nader-Radio-Hour-Ep-423-Transcript.pdf[/URL] Ralph Nader: Chris, we're going to get to that in a minute. Just to complete the analogy, Iraq didn't threaten the US. There was no threat there at all. It was 6,000/7,000 miles away, and we still went in with the most modern warfare you could imagine. And of course now, almost 20 years later, it's still chaotic; it's still brutal--the poverty, the refugees, the displaced persons, the diseases and there we have a few thousand soldiers still in Iraq, but the system is in total chaos, and it's called a mistake instead of a first-class war crime. So back to your point on NATO, let's go back into history a bit here. Napoleon invaded Russia--slaughtered. The Kaiser invaded Russia-- slaughtered. Hitler invaded Russia--slaughtered. Maybe a total of 50 million people, and it's quite understandable that the Russian people, apart from Putin, are quite concerned about their western frontier. Imagine if that happened on our northern border--three invasions. Do you think we would have calmly set sail for Tahiti or Hawaii? What would we have done to our northern border if the shoe was on the other foot? So start with the NATO assurances with Jim Baker and others [/QUOTE]

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