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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 5241113" data-attributes="member: 56035">maybe the nazis america is supporting in ukraine will attack america down the road like what happened with the taliban:[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.111/c03.434.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ralph-Nader-Radio-Hour-Ep-423-Transcript.pdf[/URL]Chris Hedges: Well, they clearly want to turn the Ukraine into another Chechnya. That&#039;s whythey&#039;ve put these staggering sums of money into providing weapons. Even Germany has lifted itsban on exporting weapons and talked about almost tripling its own defense budget, and thenspending 2% of GDP every year, which would make Germany the third largest military in theworld after the United States and China. So they are going back to that old Cold War playbook,proxy wars. It&#039;s what Brzeziński did in Afghanistan, lured the Russians into Kabul afterweakening the government and arming what would become the Taliban. And in their parlance,it&#039;s about making Russia bleed. But of course the people who truly bleed are the Ukrainians. Sothat&#039;s the policy. It&#039;s very cynical. As long as the amount of weapons that have been provided toUkraine, as long as this is sustained... The Czechs are now sending tanks; the idea is toperpetuate the conflict.Ralph Nader: And this could be a gridlock for months, if not years. Is that what you aresaying?Chris Hedges: Yeah. They would like it to continue for a very long time to slowly degradeRussia&#039;s military capability. I think they&#039;re delighted with what&#039;s happening. But then, you havethese figures, Robert Kagan and others, who have just . . . I had to deal with Kagan. He workedfor Elliott Abrams in Central America as propagandist for the contras and these murderousregimes in El Salvador and Guatemala. There isn’t a war they haven&#039;t embraced. They were, ofcourse, cheerleaders for the expansion of NATO. They sold us the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.He has an article in the current issue of Foreign Affairs, which boils down to &quot;We should go towar with Russia, and don&#039;t worry, Putin won&#039;t use the bomb.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 5241113, member: 56035"] maybe the nazis america is supporting in ukraine will attack america down the road like what happened with the taliban: [URL unfurl="true"]https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.111/c03.434.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ralph-Nader-Radio-Hour-Ep-423-Transcript.pdf[/URL] Chris Hedges: Well, they clearly want to turn the Ukraine into another Chechnya. That's why they've put these staggering sums of money into providing weapons. Even Germany has lifted its ban on exporting weapons and talked about almost tripling its own defense budget, and then spending 2% of GDP every year, which would make Germany the third largest military in the world after the United States and China. So they are going back to that old Cold War playbook, proxy wars. It's what Brzeziński did in Afghanistan, lured the Russians into Kabul after weakening the government and arming what would become the Taliban. And in their parlance, it's about making Russia bleed. But of course the people who truly bleed are the Ukrainians. So that's the policy. It's very cynical. As long as the amount of weapons that have been provided to Ukraine, as long as this is sustained... The Czechs are now sending tanks; the idea is to perpetuate the conflict. Ralph Nader: And this could be a gridlock for months, if not years. Is that what you are saying? Chris Hedges: Yeah. They would like it to continue for a very long time to slowly degrade Russia's military capability. I think they're delighted with what's happening. But then, you have these figures, Robert Kagan and others, who have just . . . I had to deal with Kagan. He worked for Elliott Abrams in Central America as propagandist for the contras and these murderous regimes in El Salvador and Guatemala. There isn’t a war they haven't embraced. They were, of course, cheerleaders for the expansion of NATO. They sold us the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has an article in the current issue of Foreign Affairs, which boils down to "We should go to war with Russia, and don't worry, Putin won't use the bomb." [/QUOTE]

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