The split is real.

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by BrownSkid, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. BrownSkid

    BrownSkid LeBrown Shames

    Some drivers I've spoken to at my hub will sell out the pt's and vote in favor of (22.4) this contract and it annoys me. They are part of the "I got mines' club". I had hoped we would be together as brothers since I thought we were Teamsters, but how so if our own leadership is selling us out just as much?¿!

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  2. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    A better question might be “What’s the union worth if the guy next to me is making six bucks an hour less?”
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  3. govols019

    govols019 You smell that?

    Your question mark is upside's that happen?
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  5. AwashBwashCwash

    AwashBwashCwash Active Member

    Oh please, part-timers were sold out a looooooooong time ago. There's nothing left to sell out.
    I mean maybe we could vote to have part-time pay reduced to $7.25 an hour and use the extra money to put fans in the all drivers' trucks?
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  6. silenze

    silenze Lunch is the best part of the day

    Not without a unanimous vote by the safety committee
  7. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    While I understand your point, you do realize you guys pretty much make up the majority right? You guys could do so much if you pulled together.
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  8. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    If you turn your monitor then its right side up.
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  9. PaulWall

    PaulWall New Member

    As far as part-timers isn't there more of them then there is full-time employees?

    We can't allow this contract to pass. The 22.4 jobs will hurt any full-time drivers paycheck. Tell me if a 22.4 driver is guaranteed 40 hours a week where they going to get that 40 hours from if they're not going to take it from a regular package car driver.

    Excessive overtime is one thing, many drivers want some overtime. That will disappear. UPS is going to use the cheapest method to deliver the package.

    There are a few good things about the pension provisions provided, healthcare package. But ultimately the company is telling the union you take this or we won't give you that. The only ones that stand to benefit from the current proposed contract is the union and the company.

    The union because of the increased membership. (I guarantee you that 25% of every centers package drivers will be 22.4 drivers.)

    UPS, Because they have created a position that does the same thing as a package driver but are going to be paying them significantly less. They will ultimately reduce their overtime paid.

    Okay I'm going to get off the soap box now.
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  10. BrownSkid

    BrownSkid LeBrown Shames

    Only happens when Union caters to UPS, once they work for members, the world rights itself again.
  11. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    Its an unfortunate truth.

    Even if we stood together voting this contract down, the part timers will still lose.

    Full timers will renegotiate the fixes they want on 22.4, then vote yes, and sell out the part timers
  12. Been In Brown Too Long

    Been In Brown Too Long Ex-Package Donkey

    Not at all possible if part timers would do their part and vote. You're upset about some full time yes votes, but indifferent to part timers not voting at all?

    Part timers have the numbers to sell out full timers, in a landslide.
  13. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    There it is! Thats the truth of the situation. The concept of brotherhood is dead. Everyone is in this for themselves.

    I made progression many years ago and have one foot out the door, so it doesnt affect me too much. But from my perspective, i see a membership divided by their own self interests, coming up with excuses to justify a selfish vote that is not in everyones best interest.
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  14. cachmeifucan

    cachmeifucan Well-Known Member

    Full-time employees should be guaranteed 45 hours or more
  15. Staydryitsraining

    Staydryitsraining Well-Known Member

    Around 150k pters of the 260 total.
  16. BadIdeaGuy

    BadIdeaGuy Coronavirus? What coronavirus?

    Thank you!

    I'm a part timer, and I'm stuck with this reality. I stand with the drivers 100%. This contract has the potential to ruin a lot of people's livelihoods, if they are suddenly working only 4 days a week, since combo drivers took their Monday work.

    It needs to be stopped.
    But at the same time I'm also aware that my odds of receiving catch up raises, or a higher start rate are incredibly slim. Once the full timers get what they want, they'll be on their merry way.

    I can't count on the full timers. They'd sell out for their own gain.
    I can't count on my fellow part timers. They'll sell out for their own personal gain, too. Or just cast an indirect yes vote, through not voting.

    Still nothing to do but keep making a stand, though. I'm in this for the group. Regardless of my own outcome.

    I appreciate how well you summed up this issue. :)
  17. Grey

    Grey Active Member

    There are so many FT drivers that would prefer light days or to go home that it won’t be a problem.
  18. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    You think I’ll have to work 4 day weeks now instead of only 2 or 3? That’s just not right.
  19. BadIdeaGuy

    BadIdeaGuy Coronavirus? What coronavirus?

    I beg to disagree.

    Possibly it won't affect YOUR personal center, but it just makes sense.

    If ground is delivered over the weekends, instead of just weekdays, then there will be less work on Mondays.
    Mondays are already light here.
    UPS takes this opportunity to cut routes.
    Now they would be able to cut far more routes.
    More drivers would be sent home.
    All because of that beautiful language "if work is available", that applies solely to RPCDs.

    Do the math. It is simple. Compare your current wage, to that of a 22.4 driver. If your number is greater than the 22.4 pay grade, they'll ALWAYS try to use the combo driver.

    Do share, if I am off base, here.
  20. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    I’m lucky to work 2 days a week. Thinking about working for a fdx ground contractor 3 days a week.