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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 932698" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>Optimus;</p><p></p><p>But in the scenario you provide, you're not talking "union" - an organization of individuals UNITED in a common goal - to begin with. If you're saying that the union would find it impossible to "sell" itself on the basis of the benefits provided, and that it would NOT be able to find a means to communicate that it is only by acting in a UNITED manner that such benefits are obtained, then you're not talking about a process that "erodes" unions; rather, you're asking for a method of PROPPING-UP an organization that has ALREADY "eroded" beyond redemption; i.e. - a parasitical entity that can no longer stand on its own.</p><p></p><p>Again, why do unions always feel - and express! - the necessity to FORCE individuals to be members? Is that what the concept of "union" is based on? COERCION? Are they such morally bankrupt organizations that they can't function without people being DRIVEN into their grasp?</p><p></p><p>"Yes", NOT forcing individuals to join them would most definitely affect ("erode", if you will) organizations that HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER ON THEIR OWN. But surely if "unions" are worthy of their name, they SHOULD have "something to offer"...at least to the extent that people don't have to be FORCED to join them!</p><p></p><p>By your logic, all sorts of organizations can be said to be "eroded" by being forced to function on a voluntary basis. Should there be "unions" organized which have as their stated purpose the granting of welfare and additional sustenance to capitalists, for example? Heck, I'm sure if you could COMPEL people to join such organizations, they would thrive mightily. Sound good to you? Would you like to be FORCED to join such a group?</p><p></p><p>With that in mind, do you HONESTLY believe that establishing a tyranny over the employee's free choice is the way to go? Or that unions will be "eroded" if they can't exercise such a tyranny? If so, then I'd submit that the union movement is already beyond saving. If unions can't get people to join on the basis of their own volition, then what right do they have to exist?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 932698, member: 16651"] Optimus; But in the scenario you provide, you're not talking "union" - an organization of individuals UNITED in a common goal - to begin with. If you're saying that the union would find it impossible to "sell" itself on the basis of the benefits provided, and that it would NOT be able to find a means to communicate that it is only by acting in a UNITED manner that such benefits are obtained, then you're not talking about a process that "erodes" unions; rather, you're asking for a method of PROPPING-UP an organization that has ALREADY "eroded" beyond redemption; i.e. - a parasitical entity that can no longer stand on its own. Again, why do unions always feel - and express! - the necessity to FORCE individuals to be members? Is that what the concept of "union" is based on? COERCION? Are they such morally bankrupt organizations that they can't function without people being DRIVEN into their grasp? "Yes", NOT forcing individuals to join them would most definitely affect ("erode", if you will) organizations that HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER ON THEIR OWN. But surely if "unions" are worthy of their name, they SHOULD have "something to offer"...at least to the extent that people don't have to be FORCED to join them! By your logic, all sorts of organizations can be said to be "eroded" by being forced to function on a voluntary basis. Should there be "unions" organized which have as their stated purpose the granting of welfare and additional sustenance to capitalists, for example? Heck, I'm sure if you could COMPEL people to join such organizations, they would thrive mightily. Sound good to you? Would you like to be FORCED to join such a group? With that in mind, do you HONESTLY believe that establishing a tyranny over the employee's free choice is the way to go? Or that unions will be "eroded" if they can't exercise such a tyranny? If so, then I'd submit that the union movement is already beyond saving. If unions can't get people to join on the basis of their own volition, then what right do they have to exist? [/QUOTE]
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