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<blockquote data-quote="hypocrisy" data-source="post: 933965" data-attributes="member: 9500"><p>Gee, let me repost what 804brown did so you can see the facts:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000">I'm pretty impressed by the number of 16-24 year-olds that are joining. That shows our message is starting to be embraced by the next generation. Union membership, like the economy, goes in cycles. Right now Corporate America is laying the seeds for the next surge by short changing the American Worker. It's only a matter of time before people see that, left to their own devices, Corporate America is more interested in fostering a new age of psuedo-indentured servitude than rewarding employees for their labor. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000">Fact is, we can't all be business owners, professionals, or corporate stiffs. Some of us still actually do the labor that keeps America working. Those are the people for who Unions guarantee a fair shake by collective bargaining strength. The proof is in the numbers: the higher pay, the better benefits, the pensions, grievance procedure and better working conditions and job security. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000">Oh sure, RTW promises freedom: freedom from higher pay, freedom from paid healthcare, freedom from being provided for by a pension, freedom from being able to have a say in your working conditions, freedom from being able to air your grievances in a protected process. Most of all , freedom from knowing you have a job to go to every day. Oh sure, you could run circles around your older co-workers when you started at UPS, but now you're in your 40's, you have a mortgage, cars, kids college to pay for and a wife with needs. You ready to start all over? RTW will guarantee you get that chance. Sure, companies live and die mostly because of the cycle of their marketplace or decisions from the top, sometimes the members of the Union don't help the cause but in may ways they can be a tremendous help because a Union contract provides specific numbers on the payroll side and a relief outlet for the pressure caused by economic stresses. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000">Right now RTW are celebrating a victory and hopefully it's short lived. They've won in Indiana, their first victory in over 10 years after many losses. Like circling sharks they smell blood in the water. Just remember what happened in the last decade, with promised riches never appearing. Remember your friends who had rampant un-regulated capitalism rammed through their holiest of holies and how their families suffered. However, isn't is odd that these RTW'ers blame Unions for our economic decline, when membership (which peaked at 35% in the 1950's) has been at it's historical lowest rates all during the past few recessions? I find that telling. (and when you adjust for private/public sector, it's even more damning)</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000">One thing they can't run from is facts. Pobre can list some companies, but isn't parting with any wage or benefit information. Fact is you are going to make, on average, $209 more <em>each week </em>as a Union member in blue collar or service industries. Those are Government Bureau of Labor Statistics facts, not something I made up. Now if you take into consideration that most Union workers do not pay for their healthcare and have employer provided pensions, that $209 can easily double. I think of the white collar people I know, slaving away at a computer for $30k a years, never getting anywhere, getting more bad news every year as their healthcare costs go up and I feel sorry for them as they've bought into the lie that RTW is pushing. Facts are RTW just pushes wages down, <strong><em>which was exactly the goal of the business interests behind RTW in the first place not any cause as grand as "freedom". Oh wait, maybe they meant "freedom from having to pay higher wages". </em></strong>Live in a RTW state? Congratulations, overall your workers, union or not, make 3.2% less than non-RTW states. Boy, gotta love how that freedom puts dinner on the table! Oh you wanted health insurance or your family? Gee, 2.6% fewer of you are even going to be offered one of those overprices undercoveraged plans. But wait! There's one more serving of Freedom! Getting up there in years? Oh you wanted to retire? I'm sure you've put some money away, making 3.2% less and all, and paying too much for your health care (that's if your employer hasn't already fired you because he found someone younger and dumber willing to break his body for the boss). Well we have 4.8% of you are just going to get the heave-ho when you leave. Such a deal! Enjoy that life of luxury in the trailer park while the rest of us pay for your needs. Serve me up some Freedom!</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #000000">As for the claim that a Union Shop/ Agency Shop is "unwanted by the majority of Americans", when was the national referendum on that issue? Oh, just another 'fact' you pulled out of your ass isn't it. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hypocrisy, post: 933965, member: 9500"] Gee, let me repost what 804brown did so you can see the facts: [INDENT][COLOR=#000000] I'm pretty impressed by the number of 16-24 year-olds that are joining. That shows our message is starting to be embraced by the next generation. Union membership, like the economy, goes in cycles. Right now Corporate America is laying the seeds for the next surge by short changing the American Worker. It's only a matter of time before people see that, left to their own devices, Corporate America is more interested in fostering a new age of psuedo-indentured servitude than rewarding employees for their labor. Fact is, we can't all be business owners, professionals, or corporate stiffs. Some of us still actually do the labor that keeps America working. Those are the people for who Unions guarantee a fair shake by collective bargaining strength. The proof is in the numbers: the higher pay, the better benefits, the pensions, grievance procedure and better working conditions and job security. Oh sure, RTW promises freedom: freedom from higher pay, freedom from paid healthcare, freedom from being provided for by a pension, freedom from being able to have a say in your working conditions, freedom from being able to air your grievances in a protected process. Most of all , freedom from knowing you have a job to go to every day. Oh sure, you could run circles around your older co-workers when you started at UPS, but now you're in your 40's, you have a mortgage, cars, kids college to pay for and a wife with needs. You ready to start all over? RTW will guarantee you get that chance. Sure, companies live and die mostly because of the cycle of their marketplace or decisions from the top, sometimes the members of the Union don't help the cause but in may ways they can be a tremendous help because a Union contract provides specific numbers on the payroll side and a relief outlet for the pressure caused by economic stresses. Right now RTW are celebrating a victory and hopefully it's short lived. They've won in Indiana, their first victory in over 10 years after many losses. Like circling sharks they smell blood in the water. Just remember what happened in the last decade, with promised riches never appearing. Remember your friends who had rampant un-regulated capitalism rammed through their holiest of holies and how their families suffered. However, isn't is odd that these RTW'ers blame Unions for our economic decline, when membership (which peaked at 35% in the 1950's) has been at it's historical lowest rates all during the past few recessions? I find that telling. (and when you adjust for private/public sector, it's even more damning) One thing they can't run from is facts. Pobre can list some companies, but isn't parting with any wage or benefit information. Fact is you are going to make, on average, $209 more [I]each week [/I]as a Union member in blue collar or service industries. Those are Government Bureau of Labor Statistics facts, not something I made up. Now if you take into consideration that most Union workers do not pay for their healthcare and have employer provided pensions, that $209 can easily double. I think of the white collar people I know, slaving away at a computer for $30k a years, never getting anywhere, getting more bad news every year as their healthcare costs go up and I feel sorry for them as they've bought into the lie that RTW is pushing. Facts are RTW just pushes wages down, [B][I]which was exactly the goal of the business interests behind RTW in the first place not any cause as grand as "freedom". Oh wait, maybe they meant "freedom from having to pay higher wages". [/I][/B]Live in a RTW state? Congratulations, overall your workers, union or not, make 3.2% less than non-RTW states. Boy, gotta love how that freedom puts dinner on the table! Oh you wanted health insurance or your family? Gee, 2.6% fewer of you are even going to be offered one of those overprices undercoveraged plans. But wait! There's one more serving of Freedom! Getting up there in years? Oh you wanted to retire? I'm sure you've put some money away, making 3.2% less and all, and paying too much for your health care (that's if your employer hasn't already fired you because he found someone younger and dumber willing to break his body for the boss). Well we have 4.8% of you are just going to get the heave-ho when you leave. Such a deal! Enjoy that life of luxury in the trailer park while the rest of us pay for your needs. Serve me up some Freedom! As for the claim that a Union Shop/ Agency Shop is "unwanted by the majority of Americans", when was the national referendum on that issue? Oh, just another 'fact' you pulled out of your ass isn't it. [/COLOR][/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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