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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 934637" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>No, YOU "don't need to". I'd submit, however, that your union does. Beyond that, I'm sorry if you thought I was "disparaging" you. That wasn't my intent, nor do I feel that I did. But I can't help but feel that your thinking I was - along with the rest of your post - is illustrative of the point I was trying to make.</p><p></p><p>By the way, I got a kick out of your using the AFL-CIO source, given that it - as so many Teamsters - ignore the basic facts of the situation (and, morever, are quick to censor those who offer-up such facts in response!)...such as why the "RTW" states have been GROWING in population and job growth in comparison to non-"RTW"ones. Or how their relative wages have prospered/declined over the last few decades. Or in terms of new job creation. For example, where have the new auto plants been located? Yes...I'm well aware that new plants have located themselves in Indiana as well; but they invariably have chosen NON-union localities. Honda in Greensburg, for example...which quite pointedly chose to hire only those who reside in the "ring" counties surrounding Decatur, while essentially locking-out those in heavily UAW-organized Delaware, Madison, Howard, and Grant counties. </p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, compare the populations of non-RTW (and highly "union") Michigan, Illinois and Ohio (and their unemployment rates) with those of RTW states like Texas, Florida, GA, TN, and such. "Yes", the unemployment rates are similar...but those similar unemployment rates have to be reviewed in light of the tremendous INFLUX of residents into those states - and the jobs created to sustain that influx - against the relative DECLINE (and corresponding LOSS of jobs) in the non-RTW'ers. In short; in light of the tremendous job losses organizations like the AFL-CIO have engendered, I'm not quite as ready to consider them as viable a source as you might be.</p><p></p><p>I will admit, however, that in making your post, you - as opposed to others on this thread - didn't go out of your way to be deliberately dishonest.</p><p></p><p>Regards....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 934637, member: 16651"] No, YOU "don't need to". I'd submit, however, that your union does. Beyond that, I'm sorry if you thought I was "disparaging" you. That wasn't my intent, nor do I feel that I did. But I can't help but feel that your thinking I was - along with the rest of your post - is illustrative of the point I was trying to make. By the way, I got a kick out of your using the AFL-CIO source, given that it - as so many Teamsters - ignore the basic facts of the situation (and, morever, are quick to censor those who offer-up such facts in response!)...such as why the "RTW" states have been GROWING in population and job growth in comparison to non-"RTW"ones. Or how their relative wages have prospered/declined over the last few decades. Or in terms of new job creation. For example, where have the new auto plants been located? Yes...I'm well aware that new plants have located themselves in Indiana as well; but they invariably have chosen NON-union localities. Honda in Greensburg, for example...which quite pointedly chose to hire only those who reside in the "ring" counties surrounding Decatur, while essentially locking-out those in heavily UAW-organized Delaware, Madison, Howard, and Grant counties. Meanwhile, compare the populations of non-RTW (and highly "union") Michigan, Illinois and Ohio (and their unemployment rates) with those of RTW states like Texas, Florida, GA, TN, and such. "Yes", the unemployment rates are similar...but those similar unemployment rates have to be reviewed in light of the tremendous INFLUX of residents into those states - and the jobs created to sustain that influx - against the relative DECLINE (and corresponding LOSS of jobs) in the non-RTW'ers. In short; in light of the tremendous job losses organizations like the AFL-CIO have engendered, I'm not quite as ready to consider them as viable a source as you might be. I will admit, however, that in making your post, you - as opposed to others on this thread - didn't go out of your way to be deliberately dishonest. Regards.... [/QUOTE]
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