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<blockquote data-quote="hypocrisy" data-source="post: 934761" data-attributes="member: 9500"><p>Hornets nest? It's just you and me paco. Seems like you lost some of your misguided cronies that actually had some credibility. You're a fake, just a Union Busting RTW plant not worker like the rest of us. Taking cues from you is like asking the CEO if I should get that expensive surgery they are going to have to pay for. </p><p></p><p>As for making more, you couldn't be more wrong. Just take a look at the back of any trailer to see what these non-union carriers are paying per mile. It's usually less than half what UPS pays our sleeper teams. It's less if they aren't o/o & there are lots of "gotcha's" in there like a paltry tire allowance, paying for insurance, etc. When you start deducting that what they actually take home is paltry. Yet companies like ABF are growing and doing quite well (almost $25/hr for truck drivers & Teamster pension, healthcare & other benefits very similar to ours at UPS. See that's a fact instead of just listing a name.) What you fail to mention is all the bankruptcies and shut downs that occurred well after deregulation, and those were not primarily Union carriers. It's common wisdom among OTR's that you shouldn't expect to work for a company more than 5 years because they will probably go belly up. This is progress? Gee, sounds like more of that job security you think kicking out the Union will bring...</p><p></p><p>As I said things will go in cycles and regulation is making a comeback. Ray LaHood isn't kowtowing to the industry like his predecessors. If you think deregulation is a good thing, I have news for you. Ever fly on an airline when they were regulated? The service was a hell of a lot better and they didn't pack you in like sardines. Oh price? You might be surprised to know that on many route you were paying about the same as you do now. Sure, some highly competitive markets are cheaper but not enough to make it worth what you put up with. Meanwhile, Unionized flight attendants, mechanics, and pilots have hung on. By your logic they would have fled the Unions long ago. A little uncomfortable now?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hypocrisy, post: 934761, member: 9500"] Hornets nest? It's just you and me paco. Seems like you lost some of your misguided cronies that actually had some credibility. You're a fake, just a Union Busting RTW plant not worker like the rest of us. Taking cues from you is like asking the CEO if I should get that expensive surgery they are going to have to pay for. As for making more, you couldn't be more wrong. Just take a look at the back of any trailer to see what these non-union carriers are paying per mile. It's usually less than half what UPS pays our sleeper teams. It's less if they aren't o/o & there are lots of "gotcha's" in there like a paltry tire allowance, paying for insurance, etc. When you start deducting that what they actually take home is paltry. Yet companies like ABF are growing and doing quite well (almost $25/hr for truck drivers & Teamster pension, healthcare & other benefits very similar to ours at UPS. See that's a fact instead of just listing a name.) What you fail to mention is all the bankruptcies and shut downs that occurred well after deregulation, and those were not primarily Union carriers. It's common wisdom among OTR's that you shouldn't expect to work for a company more than 5 years because they will probably go belly up. This is progress? Gee, sounds like more of that job security you think kicking out the Union will bring... As I said things will go in cycles and regulation is making a comeback. Ray LaHood isn't kowtowing to the industry like his predecessors. If you think deregulation is a good thing, I have news for you. Ever fly on an airline when they were regulated? The service was a hell of a lot better and they didn't pack you in like sardines. Oh price? You might be surprised to know that on many route you were paying about the same as you do now. Sure, some highly competitive markets are cheaper but not enough to make it worth what you put up with. Meanwhile, Unionized flight attendants, mechanics, and pilots have hung on. By your logic they would have fled the Unions long ago. A little uncomfortable now? [/QUOTE]
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