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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1221556" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Laguna,</p><p></p><p>We have gained NO contractual advantage with this healthcare plan or the language in the National Master. What we have done is lost any advantage in negotiations by agreeing to givebacks.</p><p></p><p>Andy himself says that in the next contract, the company will insist that we pay for our healthcare upfront, and with the givebacks in these last two contracts, I guarantee you the teamsters will come at us for out of pocket costs.</p><p></p><p>There is no spin necessary.</p><p></p><p>In the next contract, the teamsters will cave further and instead of simply taking a buck out of pension contributions, they will just take it out of our pockets upfront.</p><p></p><p>There is nothing in this contract to suggest that the Teamsters "got one over" on the company. So far, the company has been in the drivers seat ( by the teamsters own admission) and they will do further damage to us in the next contract if we dont see effective change in the players running the negotiations.</p><p></p><p>I saw the "light" long ago Laguna. There are no guarantees with this healthcare plan. This Andy admits himself.</p><p></p><p>Things may change, spouses may be dropped in the future. "WHO KNOWS what the future may bring"... ~Andy M.</p><p></p><p>The results will only change if the people doing the negotiations change. Keeping the same people and expecting different results is foolish at best.</p><p></p><p>At this point, a YES vote should be the action of the members as there is NO prospect of effective change by voting NO. </p><p></p><p>We are not on the same side with the teamsters. They are negotiating for "their" best interests and not ours.</p><p></p><p>The scraps that are left over is what we are settling on.</p><p></p><p>Should pension money be diverted to our healthcare plan? NO. A backdoor fund straight out of our pension money is not the optimal option when the company just doubled its profits in the 3rd quarter.</p><p></p><p>Despite Andy's claim that he wasnt defending UPS, he still does with his explanations about Amazon and profits.</p><p></p><p>While the plan is acceptable, its coverages close to what we have today, and its limited out of pocket expense for these next 5 years, we can only hope the members get involved and effect the only change that it can by voting OUT the principle officers of their respective locals and replace them with officers NOT in "the deal" already cut with the company.</p><p></p><p>Again, a YES vote is the best option at this point.</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1221556, member: 17969"] Laguna, We have gained NO contractual advantage with this healthcare plan or the language in the National Master. What we have done is lost any advantage in negotiations by agreeing to givebacks. Andy himself says that in the next contract, the company will insist that we pay for our healthcare upfront, and with the givebacks in these last two contracts, I guarantee you the teamsters will come at us for out of pocket costs. There is no spin necessary. In the next contract, the teamsters will cave further and instead of simply taking a buck out of pension contributions, they will just take it out of our pockets upfront. There is nothing in this contract to suggest that the Teamsters "got one over" on the company. So far, the company has been in the drivers seat ( by the teamsters own admission) and they will do further damage to us in the next contract if we dont see effective change in the players running the negotiations. I saw the "light" long ago Laguna. There are no guarantees with this healthcare plan. This Andy admits himself. Things may change, spouses may be dropped in the future. "WHO KNOWS what the future may bring"... ~Andy M. The results will only change if the people doing the negotiations change. Keeping the same people and expecting different results is foolish at best. At this point, a YES vote should be the action of the members as there is NO prospect of effective change by voting NO. We are not on the same side with the teamsters. They are negotiating for "their" best interests and not ours. The scraps that are left over is what we are settling on. Should pension money be diverted to our healthcare plan? NO. A backdoor fund straight out of our pension money is not the optimal option when the company just doubled its profits in the 3rd quarter. Despite Andy's claim that he wasnt defending UPS, he still does with his explanations about Amazon and profits. While the plan is acceptable, its coverages close to what we have today, and its limited out of pocket expense for these next 5 years, we can only hope the members get involved and effect the only change that it can by voting OUT the principle officers of their respective locals and replace them with officers NOT in "the deal" already cut with the company. Again, a YES vote is the best option at this point. TOS [/QUOTE]
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