They are taking FT drivers OT

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Full-time drivers are only guaranteed up to 40 hours and that is under the condition that. " if the work is available".

While Hybrid drivers are not allowed to be under the protection of the 9.5 rule. That should tell you right there where all the overtime will go.

The vast majority of full-time drivers do not mind some overtime. Some are using the overtime to put their kids through college, have large families that need to support, or want to retire early, etc.

Why should a hybrid driver have the 1st right to all the overtime?

If you like overtime; you can count on losing $ 25000 to $35,000 or more per year.

This language could easily be adjusted to protect the current full-time drivers who want overtime and full-time drivers who don't.

As this language stands, the overtime pay they take from drivers who want it is going to subsidize a large portion of the new hybrids drivers pay.

 

[Indecisi0n]

 

[NyBrownGuy]

No OT is a good thing. It’s only been out of hand the last 9 years or so. I’m just upset it took this long.

 

[no_map_needed]

You can probably still op-out of 9.5 and get all the OT they give you. I'm more concerned that this was the last pitch the union has on the contract. Can't blame social media for any of this they dug their own hole. Now I hope they release the rest of the contract so we can take a look at how they addressed other issues.

 

[burrheadd]

Full-time drivers are only guaranteed up to 40 hours and that is under the condition that. " if the work is available".

While Hybrid drivers are not allowed to be under the protection of the 9.5 rule. That should tell you right there where all the overtime will go.

The vast majority of full-time drivers do not mind some overtime. Some are using the overtime to put their kids through college, have large families that need to support, or want to retire early, etc.

Why should a hybrid driver have the 1st right to all the overtime?

If you like overtime; you can count on losing $ 25000 to $35,000 or more per year.

This language could easily be adjusted to protect the current full-time drivers who want overtime and full-time drivers who don't.

As this language stands, the overtime pay they take from drivers who want it is going to subsidize a large portion of the new hybrids drivers pay.

How about living within your means

 

[Indecisi0n]

How about living within your means

Buzz kill

 

[Tony Q]

Full-time drivers are only guaranteed up to 40 hours and that is under the condition that. " if the work is available".

While Hybrid drivers are not allowed to be under the protection of the 9.5 rule. That should tell you right there where all the overtime will go.

The vast majority of full-time drivers do not mind some overtime. Some are using the overtime to put their kids through college, have large families that need to support, or want to retire early, etc.

Why should a hybrid driver have the 1st right to all the overtime?

If you like overtime; you can count on losing $ 25000 to $35,000 or more per year.

This language could easily be adjusted to protect the current full-time drivers who want overtime and full-time drivers who don't.

As this language stands, the overtime pay they take from drivers who want it is going to subsidize a large portion of the new hybrids drivers pay.

So all the RPCD drivers who have less than 4 years now that can get on the 9.5 list and will be put to work Monday through Friday don't matter now? You cant win any way you play it.

 

[browned out]

How about living within your means

That is fine. But if Overtime or Extra work exists; why should it not be offered to those FT drivers who want it?

Why should Hybrid drivers with less seniority have a right to the OT before a Full Time Driver that wants the OT? Simple question, really.

 

[browned out]

So all the RPCD drivers who have less than 4 years now that can get on the 9.5 list and will be put to work Monday through Friday don't matter now? You cant win any way you play it.

4 years max wait for RPCD drivers to get on the 9.5 list versus Hybrid Drivers who can Never get on the 9.5 list is not equivalent. The ones who can't win are the hybrid drivers who do not want OT and the FT drivers who do want the OT.

 

[Box Ox]

The ones who can't win are the hybrid drivers who do not want OT and the FT drivers who do want the OT.

Teamster negotiators might miss out on free golf and steak dinners if they tried to push for OT opt-in for RPCD language. Company will want to rely on weak language to build on the 22.4 giveaway in this and future contracts.

 

[Yolo]

I'm sure there will be plenty of overtime to go around.

 

[Tony Q]

4 years max wait for RPCD drivers to get on the 9.5 list versus Hybrid Drivers who can Never get on the 9.5 list is not equivalent. The ones who can't win are the hybrid drivers who do not want OT and the FT drivers who do want the OT.

The RPCD driver will be on the list regardless of seniority as long as they have one 22.4 driver on a seniority list.

 

[browned out]

I'm sure there will be plenty of overtime to go around.

If so, lets just put in in writing. All extra work and OT shall 1st be offered to Full Time Package drivers and then offered to 22.4 drivers. This language would not affect any Full Time Package car driver who does not want OT.

Pretty simple language. The excessive OT issue a minority of drivers addressed does not justify taking all rights to OT away from Full Time Drivers who want it.

It is just a sneaky omission that the Teamsters are not telling drivers.

Just like the last contract; when they misled employees into thinking Teamcare eligibility was the same as the UPS health plan.

It is not. It used to be 1 punch a month to maintain Health Care Benefits and now under Team Care it is 1 punch per week.
We had a driver find this out the hard way. He took a week and a half off or so to be with his wife before and after childbirth. He received a $50,000 hospital bill because he did not have an hour worked in one week. Lost all benefits for that week.

A great example of what these snake oil salesman teamsters don't tell us is as important as what they do tell us.

 

[Tony Q]

4 years max wait for RPCD drivers to get on the 9.5 list versus Hybrid Drivers who can Never get on the 9.5 list is not equivalent. The ones who can't win are the hybrid drivers who do not want OT and the FT drivers who do want the OT.

In any building that implements 22.4 Combination Drivers, all RPCDs will fall under the Article 37 Section 1 (c) “9.5” protection regardless of years of service or the route they hold. The newly created 22.4 Combination Driver jobs will not fall under the Article 37 “9.5” lan- guage. All other conditions in the NMUPS agreement and the Supplements, Riders and Addendum will apply.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

In any building that implements 22.4 Combination Drivers, all RPCDs will fall under the Article 37 Section 1 (c) “9.5” protection regardless of years of service or the route they hold. The newly created 22.4 Combination Driver jobs will not fall under the Article 37 “9.5” lan- guage. All other conditions in the NMUPS agreement and the Supplements, Riders and Addendum will apply.

That's a definite No vote from me. Don't need to see the rest of the language.

 

[Integrity]

That is fine. But if Overtime or Extra work exists; why should it not be offered to those FT drivers who want it?

Why should Hybrid drivers with less seniority have a right to the OT before a Full Time Driver that wants the OT? Simple question, really.

Not to be obtuse but if 22.4 drivers are able to do on straight time work that was once overtime then it is obviously no longer overtime.

It seems like a win/win to me.

Reduction in excessive overtime.

Increased full-time opportunities for part-time work force.

IMO
The part-time work force does deserve increased opportunity.

 

[542thruNthru]

Not to be obtuse but if 22.4 drivers are able to do on straight time work that was once overtime then it is obviously no longer overtime.

It seems like a win/win to me.

Reduction in excessive overtime.

Increased full-time opportunities for part-time work force.

IMO
The part-time work force does deserve increased opportunity.

Then pay the FT wages. All this is, is a two tier pay scale in disguise.

 

[Integrity]

Then pay the FT wages. All this is, is a two tier pay scale in disguise.

Actually it is not. It is actually more of an introduction of a part time package car driver class that is in combo with other jobs to make it s full time job.

I don't see why part time combo drivers should make the same as a Regular Package Car Driver.

 

[Integrity]

If so, lets just put in in writing. All extra work and OT shall 1st be offered to Full Time Package drivers and then offered to 22.4 drivers. This language would not affect any Full Time Package car driver who does not want OT.

Pretty simple language. The excessive OT issue a minority of drivers addressed does not justify taking all rights to OT away from Full Time Drivers who want it.

It is just a sneaky omission that the Teamsters are not telling drivers.

Just like the last contract; when they misled employees into thinking Teamcare eligibility was the same as the UPS health plan.

It is not. It used to be 1 punch a month to maintain Health Care Benefits and now under Team Care it is 1 punch per week.
We had a driver find this out the hard way. He took a week and a half off or so to be with his wife before and after childbirth. He received a $50,000 hospital bill because he did not have an hour worked in one week. Lost all benefits for that week.

A great example of what these snake oil salesman teamsters don't tell us is as important as what they do tell us.

I don't know where you are but in my parts extra work always was offered to senior guys first.

 

[542thruNthru]

Actually it is not. It is actually more of an introduction of a part time package car driver class that is in combo with other jobs to make it s full time job.

I don't see why part time combo drivers should make the same as a Regular Package Car Driver.

And when they do nothing but Drive?