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Thinking about applying for Sunrise (3AM to 8AM) and I have some questions
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<blockquote data-quote="air_dr" data-source="post: 940537" data-attributes="member: 29929"><p>One a very immediate practical level comcerning your discernment between which of the two facilities you would apply to: have you considered whether one is in a much better (safer) neighborhood than the other. </p><p></p><p>Closely related to that question, have you gotten any sense of the kind of people you would be working with. You may want to hang out in the parking lot one day, and just do some people watching. Don't do anything to draw attention to yourself and the security guard and anyone else will think you are probably there waiting to give someone a ride. Now you need to be careful here, working in the building, people really trash their clothes and nobody cares what you look like, also like one of the coolest loaders in my building has both his arms like completely tatooed, and its not unusual to have guys drive out after the shift with loud rap "music" playing, so you you don't want to be too quick to judge. Now with that said, if all the guys from one building look like they belong to an outlaw motorcycle gang or something, you may want to apply for the other facility. </p><p></p><p>Finally, keep in mind that with a larger building, there are more places for a man to find his niche. If, for example, you find you don't work well with the sup on your boxline, at least in my local, by the union contract, you can place your name on a "preferred jobs list" requesting, say, the unload, and before a another person is hired for unloading, they are obligated to put you there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, "about the long religious thing <em> posted," and what I believe is the closely related issue of what you would like to be doing long term...Sorry to have confused you...</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>What I posted is a "hymn" ie. a song which is sung in church as part of worship. Check it out, if you wish, at the following website: <a href="http://www.oremus.org/hymnal/a/a133.html" target="_blank">Oremus Hymnal: All my hope on God is founded</a> or you can look it up on You Tube, enter "All my hope on God is founded in the search. Any song is really poetry set to music, and as such, if it deals with something that is unfamiliar to you, the poetic language can leave a man confused quite easily. In addition, I am part of a church that uses some pretty old (but glorious in my opinion) material in our worship. Things like the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. So the archaic language can throw someone as well.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As I understand things, regarding myself to be a Christian, I am not just a "Deist," that's one who believes there is a God who is a "first cause" but rather a "Theist," who also believes, not just in a god who is a "first cause," but also in a God who continues to care for his creation and is personal. I, air_dr, am known to him and so are you, NI3. The implications of such a belief are tremendous in my mind:</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As such, we are, in a very real way, truly part of something much bigger than ourselves. Given that you and I have at least a bond in a transcendent God by virtue of our creation, I feel you are worthy of my effort to give you tips on UPS. Ditto for a neighbor who I helped earlier today with an online application, etc. If I believed you, like I, were just a collection of molecules that traces its origins to what is ultimately some cosmic "accident," without any ultimate destiny or purpose for existing, then why would I care. I would then just go take a nap instead. Now, I will acknowledge there are many caring, moral, atheists and agnostics, and their unbelief doesn't diminish the goodness of something they may do in my mind. But I would say they are motivated to do good, not because of, but inspite of their core beliefs.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>In addition, in light of the belief that God is personal, I do not feel abandoned to the whims of blind chance. Consider the following words of Jesus from the Bible: "26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. 34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." While I will be the last person to advocate a life of passivity and irresponsibility, I want to be the first to say that "things happen for a purpose." Both good and bad things. And we are called to believe God is working everything out for his redemptive purposes, and that there is a plan for each of our lives. This is basically what the hymn writer, in poetic language was trying to say. See if that hymn text (song lyrics) now makes more sense to you.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>This leads to the problem you acknowledged of your uncertainty of what you want to be doing long term... In short, I seek to do what I believe to be God's will for me. Very quickly, (because I have to go to work,) I believe I discover God's will by knowing and following the Bible, considering my natural strengths and weaknesses, seeking the counsel of trusted, competent people, and through prayer. We can continue this...I have to run now...</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="air_dr, post: 940537, member: 29929"] One a very immediate practical level comcerning your discernment between which of the two facilities you would apply to: have you considered whether one is in a much better (safer) neighborhood than the other. Closely related to that question, have you gotten any sense of the kind of people you would be working with. You may want to hang out in the parking lot one day, and just do some people watching. Don't do anything to draw attention to yourself and the security guard and anyone else will think you are probably there waiting to give someone a ride. Now you need to be careful here, working in the building, people really trash their clothes and nobody cares what you look like, also like one of the coolest loaders in my building has both his arms like completely tatooed, and its not unusual to have guys drive out after the shift with loud rap "music" playing, so you you don't want to be too quick to judge. Now with that said, if all the guys from one building look like they belong to an outlaw motorcycle gang or something, you may want to apply for the other facility. Finally, keep in mind that with a larger building, there are more places for a man to find his niche. If, for example, you find you don't work well with the sup on your boxline, at least in my local, by the union contract, you can place your name on a "preferred jobs list" requesting, say, the unload, and before a another person is hired for unloading, they are obligated to put you there. Now, "about the long religious thing [I] posted," and what I believe is the closely related issue of what you would like to be doing long term...Sorry to have confused you... What I posted is a "hymn" ie. a song which is sung in church as part of worship. Check it out, if you wish, at the following website: [url=http://www.oremus.org/hymnal/a/a133.html]Oremus Hymnal: All my hope on God is founded[/url] or you can look it up on You Tube, enter "All my hope on God is founded in the search. Any song is really poetry set to music, and as such, if it deals with something that is unfamiliar to you, the poetic language can leave a man confused quite easily. In addition, I am part of a church that uses some pretty old (but glorious in my opinion) material in our worship. Things like the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. So the archaic language can throw someone as well. As I understand things, regarding myself to be a Christian, I am not just a "Deist," that's one who believes there is a God who is a "first cause" but rather a "Theist," who also believes, not just in a god who is a "first cause," but also in a God who continues to care for his creation and is personal. I, air_dr, am known to him and so are you, NI3. The implications of such a belief are tremendous in my mind: As such, we are, in a very real way, truly part of something much bigger than ourselves. Given that you and I have at least a bond in a transcendent God by virtue of our creation, I feel you are worthy of my effort to give you tips on UPS. Ditto for a neighbor who I helped earlier today with an online application, etc. If I believed you, like I, were just a collection of molecules that traces its origins to what is ultimately some cosmic "accident," without any ultimate destiny or purpose for existing, then why would I care. I would then just go take a nap instead. Now, I will acknowledge there are many caring, moral, atheists and agnostics, and their unbelief doesn't diminish the goodness of something they may do in my mind. But I would say they are motivated to do good, not because of, but inspite of their core beliefs. In addition, in light of the belief that God is personal, I do not feel abandoned to the whims of blind chance. Consider the following words of Jesus from the Bible: "26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. 34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." While I will be the last person to advocate a life of passivity and irresponsibility, I want to be the first to say that "things happen for a purpose." Both good and bad things. And we are called to believe God is working everything out for his redemptive purposes, and that there is a plan for each of our lives. This is basically what the hymn writer, in poetic language was trying to say. See if that hymn text (song lyrics) now makes more sense to you. This leads to the problem you acknowledged of your uncertainty of what you want to be doing long term... In short, I seek to do what I believe to be God's will for me. Very quickly, (because I have to go to work,) I believe I discover God's will by knowing and following the Bible, considering my natural strengths and weaknesses, seeking the counsel of trusted, competent people, and through prayer. We can continue this...I have to run now...[/I] [/QUOTE]
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