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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 624841" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>JimJimmyJames;</p><p> </p><p>If those jobs are destroyed (and, granted, many have been), they will have been destroyed by the American "worker" by his refusal to be competitive. The fact is that there's an intrinsic value to goods and services produced and if a certain group can no longer effectively produce those goods and services at a level commensurate with their value, then they no longer will be capable of buying those "products and services" you maintain that is needed to keep the economy afloat....unless, of course, you're talking about OTHERS who ARE willing to compete SUBSIDIZING them!</p><p> </p><p>If that's the case, and you're talking a gigantic American welfare state, in which those who DO compete are asked to diminish what they EARN in order to subsidize the lives of those who are unwilling to earn their OWN way in this world (i.e. - won't compete), then I thinks there's some disillusionment there. Over the long term, people just don't like to get screwed-over like that. They expect to dispense with what THEY earned THEMSELVES....and not chuck it over to people who expect to be "middle class" simply on the basis of their existing as Americans.</p><p> </p><p>There was a time when American workers were among the most competitive in the world. And, in many areas, they still are. But, in case you haven't noticed, our "organized" labor just isn't cutting it. The most ready example, of course, is the auto industry. The "organized" segment of it has tanked, and exists only on the basis of welfare. Meanwhile the "non-organized" parts of it - brought to our shores primarily because this country decided to set-up exclusionary tariffs which backfired - is prospering. </p><p> </p><p>"Organized labor" seems to be engaged in a massive pissing contest with itself...bound and determined to see how many jobs, and how much of this country's economy it can piss away. While a few seem, at least temporarily, to prosper from the process, the masses are kicked to the curb. Look at the Teamsters, or the UAW, or the Steelworkers by way of verification; how many of their members jobs have these union pissed away? It's MILLIONS! And for what?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 624841, member: 16651"] JimJimmyJames; If those jobs are destroyed (and, granted, many have been), they will have been destroyed by the American "worker" by his refusal to be competitive. The fact is that there's an intrinsic value to goods and services produced and if a certain group can no longer effectively produce those goods and services at a level commensurate with their value, then they no longer will be capable of buying those "products and services" you maintain that is needed to keep the economy afloat....unless, of course, you're talking about OTHERS who ARE willing to compete SUBSIDIZING them! If that's the case, and you're talking a gigantic American welfare state, in which those who DO compete are asked to diminish what they EARN in order to subsidize the lives of those who are unwilling to earn their OWN way in this world (i.e. - won't compete), then I thinks there's some disillusionment there. Over the long term, people just don't like to get screwed-over like that. They expect to dispense with what THEY earned THEMSELVES....and not chuck it over to people who expect to be "middle class" simply on the basis of their existing as Americans. There was a time when American workers were among the most competitive in the world. And, in many areas, they still are. But, in case you haven't noticed, our "organized" labor just isn't cutting it. The most ready example, of course, is the auto industry. The "organized" segment of it has tanked, and exists only on the basis of welfare. Meanwhile the "non-organized" parts of it - brought to our shores primarily because this country decided to set-up exclusionary tariffs which backfired - is prospering. "Organized labor" seems to be engaged in a massive pissing contest with itself...bound and determined to see how many jobs, and how much of this country's economy it can piss away. While a few seem, at least temporarily, to prosper from the process, the masses are kicked to the curb. Look at the Teamsters, or the UAW, or the Steelworkers by way of verification; how many of their members jobs have these union pissed away? It's MILLIONS! And for what? [/QUOTE]
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