"Top 10 Reasons To Vote No" Information Is Now Obsolete

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  1. BrownRecycler

    BrownRecycler Member

    It looks like the "The Top Ten Reasons To Vote No" information is now obsolete. August 3, 2018

    Tentative Agreement Strengthens Protections Against Harassment, Excessive Overtime - UPS Rising

    Harrassment

    New Proposed

    Under Article 37, Section 1 (a), there is stronger grievance enforcement for harassment with a sitting arbitrator and monetary penalties of up to three (3) times the employee’s daily guarantee. The sitting arbitrator will prevent UPS from delaying a deadlocked grievance while going through regular arbitration, eliminating a very lengthy process.

    Before

    Grievances not resolved by the Local or Area grievance procedure shall be forwarded to the National Article 37 Grievance Committee. Such Committee shall be comprised of an equal number of Union and Employer representatives and a sitting arbitrator who shall decide the merits and penalty of each case in the event of a deadlock by the Committee. Cases will be presented and decided in accordance with Article 8 and the National Grievance Committee Rules of Procedure

    9.5 / Excessive Overtime

    New Proposed

    • Article 37, Section 1 (c): New procedure makes it easier to get on or off the overtime (9.5) list. The union will control the process
    • Two five (5) month periods for getting on the list through the union, in addition to getting on or off the list at any time (except during the November 15-January 15 peak period) in between with one week’s notice to UPS.
    • In buildings that utilize 22.4 combination drivers, all regular package car drivers will be eligible for 9.5 protection regardless of seniority or route assignment.
    • The language on repeated violations is stronger in the tentative agreement; the current “three violations in five months” has been changed to four times in a calendar year, and that will now trigger a review by higher-level representatives of the union and company than the current process.

      Before

      The Union shall circulate and collect the names of package drivers who wish to be covered by the provisions of this Section twice each year. These lists shall be provided to the Company by January 5 and June 5 of each year The “opt-in” lists provided by the Union shall become effective on January 15th and June 15th. A driver may add or delete his/her name from the list at any time, with one week’s notice to the Employer.
     
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  2. BrownRecycler

    BrownRecycler Member

  3. Slug Life

    Slug Life When do we eat?

    You are joking right? Or is trolling your thing?
     
  4. Time for change

    Time for change Active Member

    I’m sure the company lawyers agree that this is excellent language.
     
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  5. DirtySouth

    DirtySouth Active Member

    I know it's Saturday, but you really shouldn't be drinking before 9:00 AM.
     
  6. Slug Life

    Slug Life When do we eat?

    I don’t think he is drinking. He’s on something stronger. That good stuff the Alpo.
     
  7. Same ol crap

    Same ol crap Member

    You must be kidding, i guess you can't fix stupid.
     
  8. Also remember our future brothers will not have article 37 protection.
     
  9. reginald95

    reginald95 Active Member

    We all gotta pay our dues. I was cover driver for a few years before full-time. I had 60 hour weeks almost the whole month. Go help out this guy, go help out that guy. Call me when you're done, etc. etc. Those 22.4 drivers will get to become full-time drivers and have the protection as well as building a pension, accruing vacation time, and WAGE-progression in that time. Not to mention I was making 85% of what a top-rate driver was making and I had no center seniority.
     
  10. We all had to pay our dues but the deck is really stacked against these new jobs.
     
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  11. panther

    panther Member

    Unfortunately I dont see the 22.4 going away, so if we are saddled with it we need to drastically improve their protection/language. Such as the same protections RCPD have. I'm sure not a fan of it.
     
  12. It's not here. Why would you say it's not going away?

    Some people wonder why others dont vote. This is the proof of what I've been saying...

    many members have given up. The IBT leadership knows the percentages of folks that will vote and the prevailing attitude is that it doesn't matter, cant change anything.

    If the outcry (vote) about the 22.4 jobs sent them back to the table 3 times then something would change.

    Taking bets?
    Weve made ourselves into pawns and sheep if we dont better this.
     
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  13. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Not if they’re burned out and have to leave UPS before they ever get to replace an RPCD.

    Work a 22.4 for 70 hours over peak, 60 hours the rest of the year at a lower rate of pay and see how long they last. The gradual accrual of pension, vacation and progression time don’t matter nearly as much if they probably won’t be around for more than a few years anyway.

    Meanwhile, the pension funds receive payments for the 22.4 drivers that they’ll almost certainly never have to pay back out to them. It’s a big scam.
     
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  14. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    If I can do it for over 20 years certainly a millennial can.
     
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  15. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    You’ve been a 22.4 for 20 years?!
     
  16. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    The work you discribe.
     
  17. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Really? 60+ hours a week year-round hauling 250 stops full of 150 pounders? I’ve never met a diver with that kind of workload.
     
  18. BrownRecycler

    BrownRecycler Member

    Discuss. Don't argue with me and throw me into the blame. They wrote it. So, now you have to debate it down. Because if you don't, you are contributing to the problem.
     
  19. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    250 stops a day, yes.... not full of 150 pounders, because that is an exaggeration, BIG TIME.
     
  20. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    boogie.jpg

    LAST CONTRACT
    They said I would have to pay for health care.......
    They said I would have reduced pension...............
    They said we could never get a carve out..............
    They said we would be in Teamcare...........


    Same old Boogieman is back again.